Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 April 3

April 3

Template:Important concept

• Template:Important concept (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Essentially duplicates Template:Policy, which are likely to be the only pages where this template would be used. Additionally, it could be mis-used outside the meta-space, so any use of this template must be restricted to non-article space, if in fact the template is kept. Izno (talk) 19:15, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

• Wait This template is useful and it is different from Template:Policy, I think.--Shwangtianyuan Happy Chinese New Year to everyone 02:35, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
• Comment the WP:Five pillars would seem to sit above policy in the WP:POLICY hierarchy of pillars > principles > polices > guidelines > wikiproject localconsensuses ; it could be renamed to {{five pillars page}} or something -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 04:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

About3 & About4

• Template:About3 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:About4 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:About (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:About3 and Template:About4 with Template:About.
I've been doing some maintenance on hatnote templates, and these two templates, {{about3}} and {{about4}} (also known as {{two other uses}} and {{three other uses}} respectively) add needless complexity to our hatnote systems. In almost all respects they duplicate {{about}} (they themselves transclude {{about}} to produce their functionality!), but when a certain number of arguments are present, they add a single extra "For X, see Y" argument, almost always in the form "For other uses, see PAGENAME (disambiguation)". In other words, every single one of their transclusions could be replaced with plain {{about}} calls, usually with a single extra parameter containing "other uses" added, e.g. {{about3|...}} → {{about|...|other uses}}.

As a side benefit to reducing the number of hatnote templates out there, it'll in particular reduce the number of hatnote templates that produce their own functionality by transcluding {{about}}, which is a barrier to my converting {{about}} to use a Lua module, letting it offer fancy Module:Hatnote-based features like automatically prettifying Article#Section to Article § Section, and cleaner implementation of the "and" keyword.

For some context:

• {{about}}: ~140,000 transclusions (although note that about 40,000 of those are presumably {{other uses}} transclusions, since it also abuses {{about}}; fixing that's also on my list.)
• {{about3}}: ~1500 transclusions
• {{about4}}: ~140 transclusions

Although this is framed as a "merge" proposal, my goal here is to merge their uses to {{about}} and to delete them (and their redirects) once orphaned, to minimize potential confusion caused by the slight differences in functionality. For that reason, {{about}} has not been tagged as part of this nomination. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 18:07, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

• Support as long as {{About}} can handle the cases set forth by the articles using {{about3}} and {{about4}} (which from what you stated, will be the case). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:Slavic Orthodox Christianity

• Template:Slavic Orthodox Christianity (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

There is no such thing as "Slavic Orthodox Christianity". That article does not exist and the template it made up of various Eastern Orthodox concepts. Very confusing. Zoupan 18:18, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, I got the idea to create this template from some of the articles about the Russian slavophiles and articles like this one Slavic Orthodox. I did not create this article nor the term nor the other releated articles. So I wonder if the above editor can find a source that says there is no such thing as Slavic Orthodox? Since there is of course Slavic Christianity and Slavic neopaganism, Slavic Muslims and sources that use the term Slavic Orthodox [1], [2], [3]. LoveMonkey (talk) 14:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob^Talk 13:54, 3 April 2016 (UTC)