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:::::Yeah, I'm impressed too. A good article, sure, but to write it to FA? Wow. I could never do that. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 03:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC) |
:::::Yeah, I'm impressed too. A good article, sure, but to write it to FA? Wow. I could never do that. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 03:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC) |
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{{undent}} Aside from agreeing with that whole 8 hours thing, I did look through some of Liz's AN/ANI contributions and did not notice a pattern of making problems worse (or even one off incidents), which is part of why I didn't consider that. If this helps. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 07:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC) |
{{undent}} Aside from agreeing with that whole 8 hours thing, I did look through some of Liz's AN/ANI contributions and did not notice a pattern of making problems worse (or even one off incidents), which is part of why I didn't consider that. If this helps. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 07:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC) |
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:OK, I've just lost an hour of my life going through Liz's April–June contributions. (Going back further isn't usually worthwhile unless there's a specific concern, as people change; looking at the edits in the month running up to an RFA is also a pointless exercise, as candidates are generally posing for the cameras by then and avoiding anything contentious.) I'm going to strike that oppose, as aside from her baiting of Eric Corbett* I'm not seeing any major recent issues. |
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::<nowiki>*</nowiki><small>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEric_Corbett&type=revision&diff=669703254&oldid=669695439 The "content creators" diff everyone is raising] can be discounted as a badly misfiring attempt at comedy, but I see no way to interpret her unsolicited comment [[User talk:Eric Corbett/Archives/2015/June#No one deserves to be silenced|here]], which essentially translates as "we are discussing you in a publicly viewable forum but I order you not to read the discussion" as anything other than either intentional baiting to try to provoke a backlash, or spectacular cluelessness.</small> |
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:For the record, the (relatively minor) issues I ''did'' find are: |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Natural_Glamour_Solos&diff=prev&oldid=660746938 Removing a film's cover image from the article on the film], explicitly on the [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] grounds that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Liz&diff=prev&oldid=661090277 "I didn't feel like the image enhanced the article"]; |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nina_Mercedez&diff=prev&oldid=660747404 Making an edit] which negatively impacted a BLP by downplaying the subject's importance (a feature dancer is a famous name, usually from porn or modelling, who makes one-off appearances in strip clubs as a highly-paid headline draw; a stripper is someone gyrates on stage while drunk businessmen stuff banknotes into their garter), with the somewhat odd edit summary of "ME"; |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Josh_Duggar&diff=prev&oldid=665511038 This comment], which I'm sure is in the best of faith but shows a worrying eagerness to reach for the oversight button; |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kent_Hovind&diff=prev&oldid=669404467 This rather odd commentary], which I can only translate as "I want someone else to write about this because I can't be bothered to check the sources; |
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:#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_cosplayers&diff=prev&oldid=669544775 This edit] which can only be described as pot-stirring ("I know nothing about the subject of this article, but I'm sure it's wrong to list this many women"); [https://www.google.com/search?q=famous%20cosplayers&rct=j five seconds background research] would have shown that the notable figures in this field are disproportionately female. |
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:None of these are any worse than I would expect to find if I went through the contributions of any editor with a fine-tooth comb. I won't be supporting for reasons outlined above—without the content Wikipedia is just Facebook for ugly people, and I don't consider it appropriate for people with no apparent interest in Wikipedia/Wikimedia's mission to be sitting in judgement over the people who actually do the work—but I won't actively oppose. |
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:(Brief PS; that "eight hours" comment wasn't intended as the "hey, look how fast I am!" which some above seem to have taken it as, but as pointing out that "content writers" aren't some kind of supremely gifted elite. Anyone, working primarily from print sources on a topic with which they're familiar enough to judge reliability and relevance of sourcing, and where the topic is specialised enough that the article won't be a 10,000-word behemoth, can do the same.) – [[User:Iridescent|iridescent]] 10:00, 31 July 2015 (UTC) |
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I gave glowing support. Now, after reading User:Iridescent's oppose, I am worried. I respect Iridescent enourmously. Before supporting, I spot-checked many of Liz's talk posts and found good manners. Maybe I was unlucky. Sometimes, it is necessary to read big discussions very thoroughly to know if someone is helping to diffuse and resolve rather than stir the pot and pick fights. I do not want to support an admin who has even a smidgen of those last characteristics. If anyone can provide diffs that conclusively show those, I will move to oppose at once. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure Iridescent's oppose can be taken that way, Anna. If you're working in contentious areas, it's pretty easy for those on the opposing side to pick diffs and say, "See! They were stirring the pot here!" or "Everything would have been okay if they just gave up and stopped arguing". I think you need to judge what they were fighting for. --NeilN talk to me 23:58, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Anna Frodesiak, I posted that oppose as a token gesture when this looked certain to finish well above 90%, and will freely admit to not doing a full contribution history check. In light of your comments, and the fact that this could theoretically end up in the discretionary zone, I'm going to go more thoroughly through her contributions and see if I've just happened to only encounter her on bad days. (It won't be until tomorrow, though, it's 1:30 am here.) I can't imagine I'll be moving to support—I'm not one of those who expects admins to have written FAs or GAs but I do expect to see some interest in what Wikipedia is actually about, and 7% mainspace edits, almost all minor, makes Newyorkbrad look like Diderot—but I'll be more than willing to strike the oppose if I feel I've been unfair. (When an RFA candidate can't give a single example in their "best work" section, it isn't a good sign; writing adequate-quality articles really isn't difficult for anyone who understands the basics of essay-writing, sourcing and wiki markup. To put that in perspective, tomorrow's TFA took about eight hours start-to-finish to write from a redlink.)
- It is possible that because of the somewhat unusual combination of pages on my watchlist, which by definition includes a disproportionate number of high-drama pages, I'm only seeing her in environments where people are unusually combative. (I don't automatically assume a tendency to get into fights is an automatic fail—I was one of the co-noms on Malleus's RFA—but it needs to be outweighed by positives elsewhere, and my impression of this candidate has been of someone whose history consists solely of a mix of unnecessary stirring of other peoples' disputes, and hyper-minor edits.) What I will say, just doing a quick skim of recent article talk edits (generally the best way to get a feel for an editor's interests), is that her edit count in that particular namespace is massively inflated through the pointless but edit-count-inflating job of manually archiving threads one-by-one which were about to be archived by the bot anyway.
- I'll update here tomorrow with either a retraction or an affirmation. – iridescent 00:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- Let's see: 20+ sources were carefully researched, winnowed out, found, read, and synthesized; 7 images were researched, found, uploaded (some of them), and captioned; and 23,000 bytes of deathless prose, with 44 footnotes, were written, formatted, edited, and refined, all within eight hours? That is impressive. Softlavender (talk) 02:56, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
(←) Aside from agreeing with that whole 8 hours thing, I did look through some of Liz's AN/ANI contributions and did not notice a pattern of making problems worse (or even one off incidents), which is part of why I didn't consider that. If this helps. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I've just lost an hour of my life going through Liz's April–June contributions. (Going back further isn't usually worthwhile unless there's a specific concern, as people change; looking at the edits in the month running up to an RFA is also a pointless exercise, as candidates are generally posing for the cameras by then and avoiding anything contentious.) I'm going to strike that oppose, as aside from her baiting of Eric Corbett* I'm not seeing any major recent issues.
- *The "content creators" diff everyone is raising can be discounted as a badly misfiring attempt at comedy, but I see no way to interpret her unsolicited comment here, which essentially translates as "we are discussing you in a publicly viewable forum but I order you not to read the discussion" as anything other than either intentional baiting to try to provoke a backlash, or spectacular cluelessness.
- For the record, the (relatively minor) issues I did find are:
- Removing a film's cover image from the article on the film, explicitly on the WP:IDONTLIKEIT grounds that "I didn't feel like the image enhanced the article";
- Making an edit which negatively impacted a BLP by downplaying the subject's importance (a feature dancer is a famous name, usually from porn or modelling, who makes one-off appearances in strip clubs as a highly-paid headline draw; a stripper is someone gyrates on stage while drunk businessmen stuff banknotes into their garter), with the somewhat odd edit summary of "ME";
- This comment, which I'm sure is in the best of faith but shows a worrying eagerness to reach for the oversight button;
- This rather odd commentary, which I can only translate as "I want someone else to write about this because I can't be bothered to check the sources;
- This edit which can only be described as pot-stirring ("I know nothing about the subject of this article, but I'm sure it's wrong to list this many women"); five seconds background research would have shown that the notable figures in this field are disproportionately female.
- None of these are any worse than I would expect to find if I went through the contributions of any editor with a fine-tooth comb. I won't be supporting for reasons outlined above—without the content Wikipedia is just Facebook for ugly people, and I don't consider it appropriate for people with no apparent interest in Wikipedia/Wikimedia's mission to be sitting in judgement over the people who actually do the work—but I won't actively oppose.
- (Brief PS; that "eight hours" comment wasn't intended as the "hey, look how fast I am!" which some above seem to have taken it as, but as pointing out that "content writers" aren't some kind of supremely gifted elite. Anyone, working primarily from print sources on a topic with which they're familiar enough to judge reliability and relevance of sourcing, and where the topic is specialised enough that the article won't be a 10,000-word behemoth, can do the same.) – iridescent 10:00, 31 July 2015 (UTC)