Talk:Invader Zim

Someone deleted this page and then moved, to here, a page that redirects here. Now this page tries to redirect to itself and there's no way to revert to the real version because it was deleted by a sysop. Why was this done and will the old version be restored? --EvilZak 05:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

'Twas i. The system gave me indication of the restoration succeeding, and this can be seen quite neatly from the wonderful (no irony) Deletion log (which i think all users can read). I expect it will take less than overnite for the various servers to get the word that the restoration has occurred; i've seen this delay happen before.

As to why, there were edits below the redirect, and they will be merged among the others when they reappear. That's how merges of histories have to be done.

--Jerzy~t 05:56, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and restores the old version for now. -Twinge 07:45, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just did an edit which (among other things) put each sentence on its own line in the source. This was a mistake, as it makes the diff look much worse than it really is. Sorry for the confusion. Content was actually only lightly edited.

Molinari 01:48 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Nickelodeon believed the show was drawing an innappropriate fanbase.

What did they think was "inappropriate" about these fans? --Camembert

Mainly that they were adult goth fans of Vasquez's comics, I guess. I think there are other reasons behind Zim being pulled, including that it's really quite depressing for a kids' show and, probably most significantly, it just didn't get a big enough audience to justify the extremely high costs of production (Nick spent a *lot* on Zim, hence the very high quality animation). suggestions for other character sketches - Tak and Keef. might do those myself if I feel like it. maybe some stuff on Vasquez in-jokes could be added (Z?, Fillerbunny et al). --AW

Hm, "inappropriate" sounds rather sinister to me, like these fans were, I don't know, alien fetishists or something (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with alien fetishism, of course...). Anyway, I've took that sentence out - I think it raises more questions than it answers. I'm sure if somebody has a quote or something from Nickelodeon, it can go back in with a more precise "reason" for it being pulled (though as you say, I'm sure it was more to do with ratings than anything else). As for more character sketches and in-jokes - I'm all for it. --Camembert

Hmm, the second and third sentences of the introductory paragraph (i.e. "Aired on Nickelodeon, it has been cancelled, put back on, and re-cancelled several times. When the show was cancelled the fans protested and it was reinstated, a process which has been repeated several times.") seem to be essentially saying the same thing. Perhaps some elision is in order? Equally, the discussion of why it was cancelled (above) is interesting, and should be in the page. Might I respectfully suggest something of the ilk:

Disappointed that its relatively poor ratings did not justify high production costs, Nickelodeon initially cancelled the show. Production was reinstated after intense pressure from fans, and then cancelled, and then resumed and cancelled once more.

I think the inappropriate thing would be a reasonable thing to say, if there is some evidence (quotes etc.) to support it (I imagine they made press releases on cancellation?). Equally, saying something about its attracting an audience that didn't meet their advertisers' expectations would also seem okay. -- Finlay McWalter 14:35, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, as I say, the "inappropriate" thing would be fine if we had a quote or something similar. It just seemed a bit weird it sitting in the article without explanation like that. Anyway, for now I've put your suggested text above into the article wholesale - hope you don't mind. --Camembert

Invader Zim DVD

As far as I know, the Invader Zim DVD is already out, so I think there's no reason to say that it is still "in production" in the article. Also, the link to the Zim DVD FAQ on the External Links section should have a warning, since it's now outdated. It talks about a version that did not come out, with different episodes. It looks like the series is going to come out in several volumes, and not in a single product, like it's said on that FAQ. It's still a good piece of info, though, and the link should be kept in the article.

I think those parts should be edited again. Anyone here shares this opinion? – Mackeriv 13:55, 26 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, nevermind. Looks like that FAQ was updated. That, or I'm getting mad. – Mackeriv 02:53, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Goths

Is there anything to show that fans of the show were mostly goths? I know that neither me nor any of my friends who liked the show were. Andre 12:24, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, I think that's just speculation. I don't really see any reason for anything like that to be added to an article, and it should probably be removed. – Mackeriv 13:10, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed that, opting to say that the viewers were older instead. Andre 13:35, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

And I've just added the word relatively, to try and denote a middle age 20-30 year old demographic, and not the 50+ commonly thought when discussing "older" viewers. How does that sound to everyone? -- elykyllek 14:34, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Fine by me. Andre 15:20, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'm an enormous fan of the show myself, and I'm certainly no goth. But let me put it this way: every goth I know is a fan. And head into any "goth culture" store you care to name, and it will be stacked to the ceiling w/ Zim products (usually, in fact, the only place to find them). It's not speculation; it's useful information. The original wording ("particularly among goths") wasn't meant to show that fans were mostly goths, but that it is more popular among goths than among the general population. As for "older viewers", I think that "outside the traditional Nickelodeon demographic" makes that clear. Lacrimosus 19:54, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If you mean Hot Topic, I don't really think that's an exclusively goth store - according to their website, they also have gaming stuff, Family Guy, Harry Potter, etc... and I haven't seen Zim stuff anywhere else. All 3 goths I know aren't Zim fans, as wel... I don't really think it's anything more than speculation. Hm. Andre 06:21, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I've heard of Hot Topic but we don't have it here (Australia). FWIW, User:AdamWill (above) agreed w/ me; if only he was still around . . . At any rate, there's no denying that Vasquez stuff generally eg. Johnny the Homicidal Maniac is highly popular among many goths (but again, I'm not suggesting a monopoly or anything). Zim is a bit tamer by comparison, but still, it's not too much of a stretch. I'm searching for some sort of external online reference to decide the question, but so far have come up w/ nothing much one way or the other. Lacrimosus 06:59, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I actually wasn't aware that Vasquez stuff was big among goths, that's probably why this seems like mere speculation to me. Andre 07:05, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Does it still seem like speculation? I'm keen to re-add it to the article, given that it appears in Johnny the Homicidal Maniac etc. In my view, it does constitute informative content. Lacrimosus 21:27, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The DVD sets have ... apparently accurate Irken subtitles For real? They just look like gibberish to me, like someone's pressing the same key over and over again... and not just when someone's screaming. -Ketsuban (I forgot to log in @_@)

GIR/Zim confusion

OK, I am a newcomer to this show, but the entire "GIR" section seems to have GIR confused with Zim. For instance: "GIR: A psychotic, stupid robot slave belonging to GIR", "Zim gets along well with others and his best friend is a pig who is seen on occasion visiting Zim at GIR's house", and "It is important to note that Zim is a 'custom' SIM only in that he was haphazardly put together out of trash by the Tallest." (What's a SIM?) I would rewrite this, but I've only seen a few episodes and don't want to mess anything up. A lot of this is definitely wrong, though. -- Wapcaplet 04:15, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Edit: Scratch that, the entire article has Zim confused with GIR, and it's all because of this edit. What a mess! -- Wapcaplet 04:18, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Breakout

I notice there are now individual Zim character articles. . . do we really need them? Can't they be merged? Slac speak up! 03:48, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have added them when I found them reading the megalomaniac page, but in fact you're right. They might be merged with this page. Nova77 13:35, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Remedial Merge

(I was distracted and failed to save this window several days ago:)

The original Zim article was improperly converted from a stub to a redir, when it should have been moved, or if that was too late, merged. I am doing the merge now.

These history entries are from Zim:

14:54, 15 Oct 2004 62.252.64.13 (change to redir)

13:39, 15 Oct 2004 165.21.154.12

13:12, 15 Oct 2004 80.202.208.248

The remainder, as of 06:04, 23 May 2005, were part of the history of Invader Zim before my history merge of Zim and Invader Zim.

--Jerzy·t 02:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean?

What does this line mean?

"She [Gaz]is also a known confidant to none other than Timmy Turner of the Fairly Oddparents."

Where does this come from? Was this in a particular episode? I can find no evidence anywhere that the two characters ever met. Can someone clarify the connection?

Looks like BS to me. *deletes* --Geg 21:50, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Geg, how do you know that IZ was dubbed into Japanese? Do you have any audio clips, in MP3 format?

I don't have any clips, but I do know it was dubbed to Japanese. Zim is voiced by a woman, but that's all that's really known right now. Plus, why would they show it in English in Japan? --Geg 29 June 2005 20:34 (UTC)

Dib and GIR are voiced by women too. as Goku was voiced by a girl in Dragon Ball Z.

Most likely. Here's a link to Nick's Japanese Zim page: http://www.nickjapan.com/i-jim.html You don't really get much information, though. --Geg 29 June 2005 20:58 (UTC)

Audio clips and character names?

Will someone provide audio clips of the show in Japanese, and provide character names in Japanese as well? I'm a die-hard, knowledgeable fan. -- User: Angie Y. 5 July 2005 (UTC)

Who built the Massive?

While sidestepping the argument about whether the residents of Vort were Vorts or Vortians, I noticed that the claim that the Massive was built by conquered aliens from Vort is unsourced. This is significant because the claim seems inconsistent with the first episode, where the Almighty Tallest are on the Massive when they send Larb off to conquer Vort. —Theo (Talk) 17:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In the episode Backseat drivers from beyond the stars Zim contacts an alien on planet Vort who claims to have designed the Massive himself and then delivers the ship's schematics to Zim enabling him to remotely pilot the Massive. --Bjarki 17:43, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

...or the Vort aliens designed and built the Massive for the Irken Empire BEFORE the Irks turned on them. Its mentioned in the Backseat Drivers episode that they used to be allies. CABAL 03:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. The Vortians designed and built it before Operation Impending Doom II took place. --Geg 15:16, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]