Undeveloped Buffy the Vampire Slayer spinoffs
The popular fictional Buffyverse established by TV series, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel has led to attempts to develop more commercially viable programs set in the fictional 'Buffyverse'. However some of these projects remain undeveloped for various reasons: sometimes, vital cast members may be unavailable; alternatively, studios and networks which would provide capital for the spinoffs might remain unconvinced that such projects are financially viable.
From 2007 onwards, many ideas for unproduced Buffy spin-offs found their way into canonical comic books. Ideas for Faith were utilised in Dark Horse Comics' Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight; ideas for Spike featured in IDW Publishing's Angel: After the Fall; and characters and plotlines developed for Ripper were adapted for Dark Horse's Angel & Faith.
- 1 Overview
- 2 Buffy the Animated Series
- 3 "Corrupt" (unaired Angel episode)
- 4 Faith the Vampire Slayer
- 5 Ripper
- 6 Slayer School
- 7 Spike movie
- 8 Notes and references
- 9 External links
A summary of the undeveloped productions:
|Title||Idea first publicly revealed|
|Corrupt (unaired Angel episode)||1999|
|Corrupt was originally intended as the second Angel episode, but the script was replaced due to the dark tone of the story.|
|Buffy the Animated Series||2002|
|Buffy the Animated Series was an undeveloped animated TV show based on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.|
|Based upon the life of the character of Rupert Giles in England.|
|The show might have used some of the Potentials who had become slayers after the Buffy finale.|
|Faith the Vampire Slayer||2003|
|Tim Minear was behind an unfulfilled idea for a Buffy spinoff in 2003 featuring Eliza Dushku as the popular antihero slayer Faith.|
|Spike is a proposed movie based upon the character|
Buffy the Animated Series
Buffy the Animated Series was an undeveloped animated TV show based on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Development began on the show in 2001 and the series was initially greenlit by 20th Century Fox in 2002. Six scripts were completed by members of Mutant Enemy and in 2004 a four-minute presentation was produced (which was distributed only within the industry). However, it ultimately went unproduced and unaired when no network was willing to buy the series.
"Corrupt" (unaired Angel episode)
"Corrupt" was originally intended as the second Angel episode. The story used dark and adult themes. The script written by David Fury included the character Kate Lockley as a drug-addicted cop deep undercover as a prostitute, and also included Angel tasting the blood of a victim. The production was abandoned, and instead the "lighter" episode, "Lonely Hearts," was written and produced.
Faith the Vampire Slayer
Tim Minear was behind an idea for a Buffy spinoff in 2003 featuring Eliza Dushku as the popular antihero slayer Faith. Instead, Dushku would go on to star as the main character in the series Tru Calling.
- IGN asked Eliza Dushku about the Faith spinoff:
- IGNFF: I heard they were actually devising a Faith spin-off for you. Why did you decide not to go that route?
- Dushku: The idea for the Faith spin-off just kind of came up in discussion because everyone really, I think, was feeling like this show's going to end and there are all these fans who love it so much and who love these characters and so, if possible, how could we extend that? I just personally felt like... It would have been a really hard thing to do, and not that I wouldn't have been up for a challenge, but with it coming on immediately following the show, I think that those would have been really big boots to fill. I think it would have been compared to Buffy. And just in terms of me, I've played that character on and off for five years now and I've changed a lot and while the character of Faith changed when I came back because I've changed, I felt like maybe it was time to... I mean, I love Faith. She's my girl and she's been really good to me, but I kind of just wanted to try something else. Purely that, because it had nothing to do with me not trusting Joss and his team of writers, who I just think are amazing. Tim Minear and Drew Goddard, and Marti Noxon and all these people, they're so talented and it had nothing to do with me doubting that they could make this show amazing, but I just... I don't know, sometimes you have to go with your gut, and my gut was telling me that I maybe needed to try something else that was just different.
- Tim Minear explained some of the details about the spinoff and reasons why it did not happen:
- "I had come up with a pitch. Eliza was gracious, kind and wonderful, but she felt like she wanted to do something new. There is no hard feelings there. But the show was basically going to be Faith meets Kung Fu. It would have been Faith, probably on a motorcycle, crossing the earth, trying to find her place in the world. I'm sure it would get an arc at some point, but the idea of her rooted somewhere seemed wrong to me. The idea of her constantly on the move seemed right to me. And she broke out of prison (on Angel) so there would have been some people after her."
- Tru Calling producer Dawn Parouse later admitted uncertainty during the show's development that Eliza would choose it over the spinoff:
- "We weren't quite sure if we were going to get [Eliza], because there were rumors that there was going to be a Buffy spinoff for her."
Ripper was originally a proposed television show based upon the character of Rupert Giles from Buffy the Vampire Slayer (created by Joss Whedon). More recent information has suggested that if Ripper were ever made it would be a TV-movie or a DVD-movie. Giles, played by British actor Anthony Stewart Head, was nicknamed 'Ripper' while he was dabbling in the occult during his rebellious youth.
Whedon said that the show would be in the tradition of "classic English ghost stories" and would explore the theme of loneliness. Head described the idea as being like "Cracker with ghosts"; Whedon elaborated on some of the themes he had planned for the series: "The people who live there, it's all very isolated. [Giles] himself has been gone for many years. He was surrounded by a de facto family that he no longer has. And [he is] sort of picking up his life all alone, and then getting involved in the underbelly of other people's lives, and finding out all about them. Loneliness is what I think of. It may not be the theme so much as the emotional intent of the series, but that's what really attracts it to me the most" It was later reported that Whedon had written the two-hour pilot, and that Espenson and other Buffy staff writers had penned story outlines for other potential episodes.
Originally in 2001, the show was planned to be aired as a miniseries on the BBC. Later mentions suggested a TV movie, however in an interview in December 2005, Head suggested that Ripper would be a "two hour movie, that might become part of a series of [Buffyverse] DVDs". However, Whedon was then involved in his new TV series Dollhouse which ended in 2010 and comic book Buffy Season 8. Whedon announced plans for a Ripper series as soon as Head left Buffy in 2001 to return to his home in England. Over the past eight years, the idea has evolved.
At Comic Con 2007, Joss Whedon confirmed that talks were almost completed for a 90-minute Ripper special on the BBC, with both Head and the BBC completely on board.
The development process was supposedly set to begin in 2008 and Ripper was to be shown in the summer of that year. However, in a BBC interview in April 2008, Head stated that 'Creator Joss Whedon is busy with another project, I'm tied up too, so at the moment I'd just say that it's still out there.' In this same interview, Head mentioned that Whedon had discussed the project with Doctor Who and Torchwood producer Julie Gardner.
"Originally, when he pitched it to me, it was a series, and it was Giles as this sad, lonely man in England without a real reason to be," Head said. "It was pretty much ghost stories. Week by week, some ghost story would somehow affect him. Then he said he didn't want to. By that time, I think he had been affected by Angel, the need to write a weekly story. I think he found at that point the drive was different, so he suggested this one film that we were going to make. He told me this story that he had written, and it's absolutely beautiful, and I hope that one day it gets made, whether it's in the guise of Ripper or whether we just tell it as a one-off TV movie. It's a lovely, lovely story. It's kind of a ghost story. It's also about a man investigating his own soul, and it's fascinating, lovely, sad, and it's classic Joss Whedon. I hope we get to make it one day. From there on in, if it was successful, maybe he could have been convinced to do a series. As I say, now he's back in the seat of doing a weekly series with Dollhouse; maybe he can be convinced otherwise. Never say never, but at the same time, I think it's on a shelf for a while."
Later Joss Whedon gave an interview to TV Week's James Hibberd and was surprisingly non-committal about Ripper. Whedon stated that "There isn’t anything new. It might become too problematic. The rights issue with 'Ripper' becomes complicated. There are other characters in the woods. We may have to do some fancy footwork. Obviously I’m committed to Dollhouse but that does not mean I’m not doing 'Ripper'".  In an interview from "The Write Environnement", Whedon reiterated: "Well, Ripper fell victim to a lot of things, most of them contractual... at this point, all I know is I’m gonna do something with Tony for the BBC - and I don’t know what it is... Actually, I kinda do know what it is, but I haven’t figured it out enough to tell anybody... but I think it probably won’t be Ripper."
With the cancellation of Dollhouse Whedon has been locked in talks over the rights issues of the character of Rupert Giles. This is the only hurdle with the BBC having funding, location and local production team in place, with Whedon delivering the initial script. It still remains unclear whether it would go beyond a 90-minute TV special or become a stand-alone miniseries.
During an interview with The A.V. Club, Whedon says: "[..]the thing about Ripper—the essence of it—is that the BBC came to me at one point like, “It doesn’t have to be Ripper. It can just be [Anthony Stewart Head], and there’s magic, and he’s Tony, cuz he’s awesome.” And that’s the thing: For some reason, he keeps getting sexier every year. That’s not happening to me! I’m like, “What are you doing?” And that story was always about a mature guy who’s lived, and about the choices he’s made. So you could make that now, or you could make it 10 years from now. And I’ve tortured Tony more than any other living human with, “We’re definitely gonna do this!” Because I thought we were. He’s working so much, though, I’d feel too guilty. But that’s the thing with Ripper: It doesn’t go away in my head because he’s still right for it, and he could still bring it."
In 2012, content for the Ripper TV series began to be adapted for the comic book Angel & Faith, which depicts Angel's quest to resurrect Giles, while living in Giles' London home, which passed on to his primary inheritor, Faith Lehane. Storylines depicting Giles' past in this series were intended for Ripper, as were several of its characters. Giles' aunts feature, ageless witches named Sophronia and Lavinia Fairweather. Whedon had intended from them to be portrayed by Anthony Head's daughters Emily and Daisy Head in the live action series.
Espenson revealed more information when she gave a talk at Ball State University in March 2003. The show might have used some of the Potentials (who became slayers after "Chosen"), and other characters from Buffy, which might have included Willow Rosenberg. Espenson also revealed that Whedon did not think that such a spinoff felt right. It seems that the concept for "Slayer School" was never developed beyond a 'pitch' for a potential spin-off to replace Buffy.
Spike was a proposed movie based upon the character of Spike from Buffy and Angel. The idea was considered dead by 2006 and in 2012 James Marsters, the actor who had portrayed the character Spike, confirmed for 411Mania that he would not play Spike again: he felt he was too visibly old to play the character without having "to cheat". In a later interview in June 2016, Marsters clarified that he might reprise his role as Spike in the future, but only if technology had advanced far enough that it would be able to convince viewers that Spike had not aged. He stated that in 2004, when he was asked by Whedon if he would be willing to be cast as Spike in future projects, he replied that he would be able to portray him for up to seven years after the end of the "Angel" series. After this time had passed in 2011, James Marsters believed that he was too old to play the part.
James Marsters discussed some ideas that he had for the movie with Joss Whedon and he created a script for the film. Marster's script was used in 2014 and released as a comic titled "Spike:Into The Light." It was published by Dark Horse Comics and loosely follows the proposed plot of the TV movie. The illustrations in the comic were produced by: Derlis Santacruz, Dan Jackson and Steve Morris.
The story of the graphic novel follows the same plot of the undeveloped Spike movie. It takes place in between the end of Season 6 and the beginning of Season 7 of the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" TV series. The main character, Spike, has recently earned his soul and is homeless on the streets. He finds it very difficult to survive without committing crimes. The vampire has damaged his boots and requires a new pair. On the way to redemption he saves children from a monster and faces his past.
After Angel was cancelled in 2004, WB claimed an interest in Angel TV movies. However, it was soon revealed that summer that David Boreanaz, who had already played the character for eight years on television, would only return to his character for a theatrical release.
In May 2004, James Marsters revealed that there might be a possibility of a Spike movie. The same year he said that he would be willing to return to the Buffyverse if it were within five years. Beyond that five years he feared that it would no longer be believable that Marsters was portraying an immortal character.
Since 2004 Whedon has been working on other projects, such as Serenity, Wonder Woman and Astonishing X-Men. However he has approached people and asked if they would be interested in participating in the Spike movie. He has said that Amy Acker would be a part of the movie, and if Alyson Hannigan was available she might appear. Whedon has even mentioned he might interlink the Spike story with that yet to be told in Buffy comics he will be writing for Dark Horse in 2007.
Tim Minear revealed in late 2005 that “I had lunch with Joss and he asked me if I wanted to write and direct some blond vampire movie thing”.
David Janollari, president of entertainment at The WB said in January 2006 that "We'd love to do a Spike movie with Joss Whedon." However he added that "Joss Whedon is busy, fast becoming a kind of a big feature filmmaker. He's simply not available to us. But he knows, and you guys all know, the door is open any time that he wants to do that, for us to do that movie."
Since then Whedon has continued to pursue the Spike movie, and find interested parties that would air and/or produce the film led by Minear, and starring Marsters and Acker. During March 2006, Whedon appeared on the UK TV Channel, MTV Screenplay, he announced he was still trying to get the Spike movie made. In May 2006, outside the Saturn Awards, Whedon announced that he had pitched the concept to various bodies (which must include 20th Century Fox, since they own the rights to the fictional Buffyverse), but had yet to receive any feedback from those bodies. Amy Acker said at a convention in May 2006 that the Spike movie would not be happening: “I think its safe to say that’s not happening anymore, cause if they were, they’d be getting done right now. There was supposed to be three of them –- one for Spike, a Faith one and also one for Willow. I think it's safe to say that now because it's not going to happen”. In June 2006, Joss Whedon also said that funding was a problem: "There are certain characters I’ve been saving because I thought I might make movies about them, but that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. I think money is standing in the way".
Writing and acting
- Tim Minear would primarily write and direct with support of Whedon.
- The cast would include James Marsters as Spike, Amy Acker as Illyria, and possibly Alyson Hannigan as Willow Rosenberg.
- J. August Richards would reprise his role as Charles Gunn, who would serve as the main villain after being turned into a vampire.
Story and continuity
- Whedon indicated that the Spike movie would take place after "the end of Buffy and Angel".
Notes and references
- "Uk.filmforce.ign.com - Page 2 of an interview with Eliza Dushku". IGN.
- Femme Fatale, May/June 2003. (details archived online here. The information from this interview is also reviewed by the BBC, and "Tim Minear and Eliza Duskhu on the aborted Faith spinoff". Whedonesque.com. 2003-04-13. Retrieved 2008-05-26.)
- Dawn Parouse (2004). Finding the Calling: The Pilot (Tru Calling Season 1, Disc 6, Special Feature) (DVD). 20th Century Fox.
- Buffy the Vampire Slayer magazine #80, (UK, December 2005), p19
- "Giles Series will be "Cracker with Ghosts."". bbc.co.uk. 2001-06-04. Retrieved 2007-03-14.
- "Owner of a Lonely Heart", from Buffy the Vampire Slayer magazine #26 (UK, October 2001)
- "A Rest for Ripper", from Buffy the Vampire Slayer magazine #32 (UK, April 2002), page 6.
- "Comic-Con: Joss Whedon panel report". 2007-07-28. Retrieved 2008-07-23.
- IGN: SDCC 07: Whedon Says Buffy Spinoff Ripper Still Planned
- Talking Shop: Anthony Head (BBC interview 29 April 2008).
- "Anthony Head: The Buffy spinoff Ripper may still be possible". Sci-fi Wire. June 1, 2009. Retrieved June 1, 2009.
- "Does the cancellation of Dollhouse mean Ripper likely to happen?". Sci-fi Wire. December 1, 2010. Retrieved December 1, 2010.
- "Joss Whedon on writing horror and superheroes for fanboys and casual viewers alike". Retrieved 30 October 2014.
- "Chambliss & Gage prepare the end of "Buffy Season 9"". Comic Book Resources. 2012-08-02. Retrieved 2013-01-01.
- "Dear Jane - Spoilers!". Bbc.co.uk. Archived from the original on 2003-07-08.
"I think Marti [Noxon] talked with Joss about Slayer School and Tim Minear talked with him about Faith on a motorcycle," said Jane [Espenson].
- Aintitcool.com - Espenson's talk at a University reveals more details about Slayer School (also discussed by the BBC)
- 411mania Interviews: James Marsters (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel), 10th March 2012
- "David Boreanaz TV Guide interview". Whedonesque.com. 2004-08-18. Retrieved 2008-05-26.
- "Spike TV movie on the cards?". Whedonesque.com. 2004-05-09. Retrieved 2008-05-26. - Marsters is indirectly quoted about the possibility of a Spike movie
- Journalnow.com - Marsters agrees he would be willing to portray Spike in a movie, if it was made within five years.[dead link]
- Tvguide.com - Whedon reveals that Minear, Marsters, Acker, and possibly even Hannigan might be a part of the movie.[dead link]
- Whedon, Joss (2005-11-09). "Joss to never learn how to work site! Man is complete Melvin! Mock him!". Whedonesque.com. Retrieved 2008-05-26. - Whedon reveals the Spike movie might tie-in with Buffy comics
- "An update on the Spike TV movie". Whedonesque.com. 2005-08-20. Retrieved 2008-05-26. - Tim Minear announces he would write and direct the Spike movie.
- Scifi.com - WB accept they want a Spike movie if Whedon writes/directs Archived 24 March 2007 at the Wayback Machine.
- "Joss Whedon appears on tonight's MTV UK's 'Screenplay'". Whedonesque.com. 2006-03-10. Retrieved 2008-05-26. - Whedon appeared on MTV screenplay and announced he was trying to get the Spike movie made, March 2006
- "Video interview with Joss from the Saturn Awards". Whedonesque.com. 2006-05-10. Retrieved 2008-05-26. - Whedon announces he has pitched the Spike movie, February 15th 2006
- Syfyportal.com - Amy Acker confirms that the project will not be going ahead. Archived 13 March 2007 at the Wayback Machine.
- Wizard Universe - Whedon says that "money is standing in the way" of the project. Archived 5 February 2007 at the Wayback Machine.
- "Amy Acker Says Angel Spinoffs Won't Happen - Buffy-Boards". Buffy-Boards. Retrieved 30 October 2014.
- Whedon, Joss (2005-11-09). "Joss to never learn how to work site! Man is complete Melvin! Mock him!". Whedonesque.com. Retrieved 2008-05-26. Whedon reveals that both the Spike movie and the Buffy comics would take place after Angel Season 5.
Buffy the Animated Series
- See larger list of links for this undeveloped production here
- Buffyanimated.com - Fan site, January 2005
- Ericwight.com - Art work related to the halted project, 2004
- Smgfan.com - Interview with Eric Wight, March 2003.
- Bbc.co.uk - Interview with Jeph Loeb, June 2004
- Mikejozic.com - Interview with Espenson and Eric Wight, 2004
- Teaattheford.net - Discussion of Lonely Hearts including views on "Corrupt" from Fury and Contner
- Teaattheford.net - Discussion of "Corrupt"
Faith the Vampire Slayer
- BBC.co.uk - BBC 5 live radio - Joss Whedon interview.
- Slayonline.co.uk - Anthony Stewart Head Talks About Ripper and Buffy Animated - 2004
-  - Word from Comic Con 2007 after an interview with Joss Whedon