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Reznor Vocal Distortion

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Can anyone identify the origin of the claim that Jourgensen distorted Reznor's vocals? I've searched through a lot of interviews (particularly here), but haven't come across any first-person accounts of the distortion story. This, along with Jourgensen's quote, has lead me to believe it's probably an urban legend. If anyone has a citation that can confirm or deny its origin, it'd help improve the quality of the article. Rynne 05:48, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can find a quote (or a friend who can just ask Al directly), but more than anything else, it SOUNDS like TR to me, always has. In fact, the first time I heard it, I thought it was a NIN track. Twiin 13:06, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't been able to get in touch with anyone who knows Al as of yet, but I've done a lot of A/B and I'm almost certain they're the same vocals, one with a bit more distortion. I uploaded a sample , although I'm fairly certain I did it wrong -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1000_homo_djs_supernaut_comparison.ogg -- I think Al is saying what he said for legal reasons. Twiin 04:12, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that both versions sound similar, but I know folks who'll vehemently claim that there are two different singers. For example, I've heard arguments like:
  • There are somewhat different inflections in the different versions of the song, with Trent singing "superNAWT" and Al singing "superNOT."
  • There are two similar but obviously different vocals shouting "Meeeeeee!" at 2:38 in the song. Some argue that one is Trent and one is Al and furthermore, the relative volumes of two vocals change depending on which version of the song it is (i.e., Al's "lead" is switched with Trent's).
So, a subjective audio comparison won't definitively prove one way or the other. I've found a primary-source interview in which Al says he did sing on the song, but like you said, he might have been intentionally or unintentionally untruthful. That's why I'm looking for additional concrete citations about it—particularly regarding the genesis of the story. Rynne 14:53, 23 August 2005

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You guys have cloth-ears! Sticking with the main vocal only, the 2 versions are clearly different, Reznor is recognizable on his version, Al is recognizable on his. Even a halfway decent hi-fi system will let you hear it. For what it's worth, a friend of mine who is a NIN fan had only ever heard the Reznor version, I played them the other version without saying what it was and they asked me who had done the "cover" of "that NIN song". They instantly knew it wasn't Trent, without being told.

For the record, I personally agree that it is Al singing, but since not everyone shares that opinion, the article should try to stay as NPOV as possible unless it's resolved. I'll list the reasons that I think it's the EP is not simply a distorted version of Trent's performance, and we can get a discussion going from there. (I'll refer to the Trent Reznor Vocal version as the "TRV vocals" and the EP version as the "EP vocals".)

  1. While the performances are mostly similar, there are different notes sung on different versions. Notable examples:
    • At 1:25 ("I'm gonna climb up every mountain of the moon"), the TRV vocals hold the note on "moon" while the EP vocals crack on the same word.
    • At 2:25 ("I found the pot under the golden rainbow's end"), the EP vocals ascend from "rainbow's" to "end", and "end" is cut short. The TRV vocals descend from "rainbow's" to "end", and continue with a further descending florish.
  2. The vocal inflections are different on the different versions. Notable example: at 1:29 ("I found the distance melts away with the spoon"), the TRV vocals pronounce the double-"o" in "spoon" as if it were "book," but the EP vocals pronounce "spoon" with a long "o." Al Jourgensen often distinctly pronounces long "o"s is the manner of the EP vocals (c.f. the first verse of Ministry's "N.W.O.": "Sky high with a heartache of stone / You'll never see me 'cause I'm always alone").
Ugh! "i found the distance melts away with the spoon"? does that make any sense to you? It's clearly "i found the dish that ran away with the spoon" Year 0 22:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  1. At 2:38 ("It never bothered me!"), there are two seperate vocals, and it sounds as if the backgound vocals on the EP are the foreground vocals on the TRV and vice versa. My interpretation is that Trent's vocals back up Al's lead on the EP, and Al's vocals back up Trent's lead on the TRV.
  2. Al has stated in an interview that his vocals are on the EP. At the moment, I can't find any primary-source evidence that Al's vocals are not on the EP, only anecdotal stories of him distorting Trent's vocals.

So, that's what I see as the case against the Trent's-distorted-vocals story. I appologise that I don't have the software to make A/B comparisons like Twiin's above. I'd appreciate if anyone could be kind enough to put them together. I welcome any discussion and counter-examples that could help resolve this question. Rynne 02:38, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Has NO-ONE heard bothered to listen to the re-recorded 100% sure it's Al's voice ministry version? (On the 2001 Ministry's Greatest Fits CD?) Compare THAT with the "distorted trent lyrics" version, and it's impossible not to hear that they are the SAME voice. Even the most cloth-eared Trent worshippers will realize it. Year 0 22:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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With all due respect, referring to other people as idiots is not constructive.

I haven't changed anything on the page, but I feel obliged to point out that without a source, the statement made at the end of the Reznor section can neither be verified or discredited ...which means it has no place on this website and should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduardohutch (talk • contribs) 04:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Though I do not have citations for this, here are my two cents as an audio engineer for those who really want to know the answer I am 99.9999999% positive as true:
Trent sings lead vocals with Al doing backup at parts in the original version. In the second version, this is swapped, Al re-recorded the vocals and there is no "distortion" of TR's vocal track. They are distinct. What they share besides the brief moments where the two voices overlap are Trent Reznor's rhythmically repeated scream best heard at the end. This was never changed. Both versions of the track feature both Al and Trent, though the version released prior to the leak of the original is Al singing the actual lyrics and almost certainly TR as backing vox as well without any other changes.
This really needs to stop. Removed prior comment as it was completely uncalled for on Wikipedia. 72.208.101.200 (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Name story

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while i see that we have a primary source, i have another story for the name (and need to find a source as well).

Back in the late 80s, there was a dj only record company called Razormaid. they remixed/resequenced songs for djs, so that it was easier to play them in clubs. each issue was limited to a 1000 record pressing.

anyway, they were always pretty good about getting permission to tinker with a track -- usually from european sources. in the middle of one of their early vinyl series, they remixed a revco track (We Shall Cleanse the World), after getting permission from a european label.

alan heard it and freaked -- and then called waxtrax to hear what was what.

according to my story, his reply was: "chill out, alan. only 1000 homo djs will ever hear it, anyway." that, then, became the name of the band.

here's a quick source, though certainly not primary: [1] There are two different stories as to how this side-project came about... one is said that it was created through Al's distate of a poor mix of a Revolting Cocks song. Another was through his worry that the final mixes from THE LAND OF RAPE & HONEY would never see the light of day. Whichever story, thus was born that Jim Nash, co-founder of WaxTrax!, confided to him that "a thousand homo DJs would hear it!"

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Identity of Viva Nova

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Has no one been able to procure this? Presumably, it is not Patty as someone would have sent an email or something. I have been in contact with Julia @ Wax Trax! over another matter, perhaps she might be able to enlighten me. She seems to know much of the story despite not founding the label. One consideration may be a possible anagram. 72.208.101.200 (talk) 21:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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