Talk:19th of April Movement
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Has anyone actually read this?
"...who was the president of Confederation of Workers of Colombia (CTC) and the 19 of April of 1976 gave death him in a fact that shocked to the country, after accusing it to let itself bribe and sell the popular interests of the union that it represented. During the government of Julio Caesar Turbay (1978-1982) they made several remarkable facts"
I believe this text is self-explanatory.
RE: Palace of Justice Siege
When I was there, in 1986, there was a large hole, high up, in the face of the Justice Palace, covered with a huge, long, Colombian Flag banner. The hole was from a rocket that the military shot into the place, allegedly after the M19 released the president's son, as a condition for further negotiations.
As soon as the president's son was confirmed safe, military law was declared, the president was out of the process, and the building was destroyed.
Word back then in Bogota was that the M19 occupied the building to press for demands, including release of political prisoners. After securing the building, they allegedly found documents linking Escobar's activities to key members of the government at the highest levels. That's when they started demanding the president come to face corruption charges - not when they first got control of the building.
The M19 members who left the building alive were never seen again. There is a reason for that.
I saw the destruction myself. There was no legitimate rationale for the military blowing up the building, killing so many of their own. The M19 was still trying to negotiate when all hell broke loose.
I see no reference to any of this in the article.
The context in which the M19 turned guerrilla is missing, also. It started out as a political party, the leaders of which were systematically killed off, and the leadership that arose from that was generally less educated, more violent, obviously radicalized, and cut off from the political process.
Lots of oblique stuff in that article. Everything's just too fuzzy.
((User: ForeverZero|ForeverZero)) (talk) 1:14 PM 28 October 2010 (CST) I think the article was written in spanish then electronically translated into english. That is why the writing is strange. Idioms and mistranslation accounts for most of the awkward phrasing. I am planning to search for the original document to see if it is plagarism.
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Mark Steinitz says (http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/pp_steinitz.pdf) that M-19 "was cooperating with major Colombian trafficker Jaime Guillot-Lara in a drugs-arms nexus involving senior Cuban officials". He also claims that Escobar provided M-19 with "resources, money, and haven". If no one opposes, I'll put in the alleged drug connection of M-19.--Forich (talk) 02:24, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Mauricio Aranguren Molina's book 'Mi confesión' says that Carlos Pizarro and Pablo Escobar gathered in may 1985 in Pablo's Hacienda. The book cites Carlos Castaño saying that he witnessed a conversation between Pablo and Pizarro, in which Pizarro asked funding for assaulting the Palace of Justice. Is this source reliable? --Forich (talk) 03:38, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Astrid Legarda's book 'El verdadero Pablo. Sangre, traición y muerte' says that Iván Marino Ospina and Álvaro Fayad had a meeting with Pablo Escobar before the Palace of Justice Siege of 1985. According to John Jairo Velásquez Vásquez (aka Popeye) the M-19 commanders asked Escobar to fund the operation and he agreed. Is this source reliable? --Forich (talk) 07:18, 2 December 2012 (UTC)