Talk:2024 EFL Cup final

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Referees Federation

Missing. It should be as per 2022. Island92 (talk) 18:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PeeJay: rather than removing the referee Federation also for Chris Kavanagh, it's needed to find those for the others. This has always been the case for all past editions. Island92 (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not "needed". We have only done it up to this point because the referees' associations were listed by sources. If we have to go trawling through minor databases for information that the organisers didn't deem necessary to tell us at the time, perhaps we're making too much work for ourselves. – Pee Jay 12:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need to put referee Federation as it was the case until 2023. This should not be an exception. Island92 (talk) 21:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, we don’t. As I said, we added it in previous years because reliable sources did so. That is not the case this year. – Pee Jay 00:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will find the Federation for each of them and I will add it. Island92 (talk) 18:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't. – Pee Jay 21:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Island92 (talk) 16:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because their associations can change. Unless you find what association they were registered to this season, the information is useless. – Pee Jay 19:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I will add the association for this season. Island92 (talk) 20:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather you didn't. – Pee Jay 23:26, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will do, as it was done till 2023. This is the standard. Island92 (talk) 10:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s because the sources for the officials up to that point mentioned what county association they were affiliated to. That was not the case this year, so no need to add a county any more. Please do not continue this discussion. – Pee Jay 12:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 2023 source does not list the referee Federation, too. Simply at the time an user added the referee Federation, to match it per previous editions. The case has to be same also for 2024. Island92 (talk) 14:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or we could remove the associations from last year’s officials, since they’re unsourced. – Pee Jay 23:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked myself and those Federations are correct. Island92 (talk) 11:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're missing the point. We only started adding the officials' home associations because that's what the sources did at the time. Now that they don't do that any more, we don't need to either. Anyway, we're getting nowhere between the two of us. I suggest you ask about this at WT:FOOTY. – Pee Jay 12:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could do it. Island92 (talk) 17:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I may interject here, I think that considering a different perspective may help. I personally do not have a stake in whether the information should be included or not. What we should be concerned about is what notable information the readers may be interested to know. Do we think that readers are interested to know the federation of each referee? They may have noticed that it was there years past, but did the readers find that information helpful? The omission of the data from modern sources would suggest that those outlets don't find the information particularly relevant, so should we? It's possible, but then consider how much volunteer effort must go into hunting down that information. If it is easy information to find, but not commonly used, there isn't much harm in adding it. If it requires significant effort to find the information just to be consistent for consistency sake, you have to ask if the amount of juice is worth the squeeze. If there is more information readily available on other topics, your volunteer time may be better spent updating those topics to benefit the readers. -2pou (talk) 17:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the latest score between this teams

the score 41.116.126.117 (talk) 16:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]