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References to use

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Please add references to use in the article.

Thanks, Erik (talk | contribs) 19:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hover-over in plot summaries

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Is hover-over now common practice for film articles? When I originally looked at the article, it struck me – as someone not unfamiliar with how Wikipedia normally looks – as a style error. --176.24.64.46 (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't. I've reverted it, and suggested that it be proposed at WP:CASTLIST if it is to be implemented. However, I think it goes against WP:CLICKHERE. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CLICKHERE does not apply; the end of that section fully indicates that it is about writing style. I think it is better to say that there are no actual guidelines about using hover-over, which is relatively new. In any case, it was applied here as a trial run. This is one of many film articles. I'm not sure why attempted new approaches have to be squelched in every single corner of Wikipedia before the guidelines get updated. The guidelines do not mention it, but that should not mean it is forbidden. We apply a cast list here already; this is another way to identify the actor behind the role without the eyeballs going back and forth. Erik (talk | contribs) 00:05, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion itself is at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film#Cast in plot descriptions. What it boiled down to though was that some editors like to include cast names in the plot summary since it aids identification, while others argued that it unnecessarily interrupted the flow of the prose. A few compromise suggestions were put forward, hover links being one of them. My personal view though is that we should trial run them and see what sticks, otherwise we are stuck with a very arbitrary approach depending on who the principal editors are. Betty Logan (talk) 08:48, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CLICKHERE isn't directly applicable, but the same principles apply. We should be writing as if Wikipedia was a paper encyclopedia, thus hiding text like this isn't in line with that. Like the IP above, I though it was broken when I saw the article (I thought I had one of those browser viruses that direct you to spam links), and I see another editor was against it on Erik's talk page. I wasn't even aware we had a hover function, as I've not seen it in use anywhere else. Yes, we should be able to innovate, but I think this is a terrible approach. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I still disagree that WP:CLICKHERE applies. Obviously in a print encyclopedia, one cannot click a blue underlined term and go elsewhere. Hover-over has been used in a lot of articles already, just for a different purpose. This shows its usage. It is mainly for pronunciations, but I have seen another instance where it was used to define "c." as "circa". (Actually, Featured Article Prometheus (2012 film) uses hover-over for pronounciation.) I agree with Betty that we should do trial runs. I have checked article feedback for that purpose, but there have not been any complaints about it since the thousands of views that this article had through the film's release. This tells me that it is not a bad thing to have; it is the newness, especially in film articles, that can throw others off. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The summary as it currently stands is highly inaccurate. It's a fairly major problem throughout, but particularly galling is the section that claims O'Neil is pulled from the ground when it's the four others who are pulled across the field. 108.49.70.67 (talk) 22:56, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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