Talk:Afro Samurai

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Brothers[edit]

I came across some information today that I believe is worth mentioning in the article under the biographies of the brothers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge it is interesting to note that Pol Pot and his elite circle shared a similar system of naming, and I am under the impression that this is where the refrence came from. I will include it in the article. {{subst:unsignedIP}}

Rearranging[edit]

After making several edits and additions and reading the article several times over, I feel it should be organized better. Since this article covers multiple versions and forms of Afro Samurai, the plot, cast, and production sections seem weird where they are currently placed. The article covers the anime/film - conception - manga - then anime/film again which looks (and reads) very strangely. I've taken the liberty of moving some things around to help but feedback and consensus is much appreciated. PLEASE DON'T JUST UNDO! (Deftonesderrick (Deftonesderrick (talk) 00:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC))

Your rearranging totally defeated WP:MOS-AM. I would highly suggest you read that. – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 05:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
"Totally defeating" seems like a harsh judgement. Also, I know you have a history of "just undoing" editor's work so I'd like to hear your suggestions for how we could improve this article. Seeing as it was rejected for B-Class status, changing everything back to the way it was is not helping. Such as, I know what MOS:AM suggests for characters list/cast lists but I don't feel it does this particular anime any service by not having the list. This was a major American release, and drew an unconventional choice like Sam Jackson and should be noted. People will look for information about the actors and isn't that what Wikipedia is all about? And please don't just say WP:MOS-AM, I'd really like to hear how we should improve this.(Deftonesderrick (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
I'm directing you to the whole thing. It shows the order of which sections should be. :) – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 18:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Noted and looking at my edit a couple things needed to be moved. That still doesn't answer my question though. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 18:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
I'm not trying to make enemies with you. I'm not trying to ruin your hard work. Don't think I just delete things for no reason, I reverted the sections back because they were not in correct order and do not follow Manual of Style. Sorry. I'm not saying that you can't help. I just want you to follow MOS. – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 19:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Again, understood. I acknowledged my mistakes regarding the rearrangement edit. I'm not trying to be enemies as well. What I asked was, what are you're suggestions for improving this article? This way we can work together to improve it so we don't step on each other's toes anymore. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 19:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
I do agree with you that it doesn't really flow correctly. All we need to do basically is make it flow correctly and make the plot more of a summary rather than a complete overview. :) – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 20:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, I am going to re-edit the AS: Res. section to sound more like the AS summary since I feel that one fits better and is less detailed. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC))

Page Image[edit]

The image used for the page is a good one but it's described as being used to cover the character and various forms of media as a whole. I think an image that better suits the everything would benefit the article more, instead of the cover of one of the mangas. Here are a few I've found, please let me know what you think!

http://transmitterdown.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/afro-samurai.jpg

http://www.politefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/afrosamurai.jpg

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/afrosamurai.jpg

http://muuuvies.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/afrosamuraiimageok2.jpg

I know I'm coming into the page late in the game but I just watched these again and saw how close the page was from B-Class and I think with some changes it can get it! (Deftonesderrick (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC))

The image on the article should be as is. WP:MOS-AM tells us to give an image of something that started the franchise, mainly the manga. – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 05:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Noted. (Deftonesderrick (talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 18:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC).

Actually, MOS:AM states:

Image- A relevant image for the work, which should be a movie poster, a DVD/VHS cover, screenshot, or another related image. Be sure to include a valid fair use rationale for the image if you upload one. Optimal image size is 230px.

Nothing in that description confirms that it needs to be something that started the franchise. So I still move to have the image changed. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 19:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC))

Agreed. I actually think it should be the original DVD cover, because actually the DVD was released before the manga. The picture used on the article is the manga remake which was created after the anime was released. So if we could get an image of the original Spike TV edit Funimation release that would be cool. It is restricted to use magazine covers in the infobox so we can not use the Nou Nou Hau cover that first featured Afro. – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 20:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Truthfully, I can't upload images from here. However, I've found a couple good images if you'd be so kind as to maybe check them out and upload the best one possibly?
http://www.basugasubakuhatsu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/afro-samurai-cover.jpg
http://ummagumma.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/dvd-afro-samurai-00.jpg
http://clientwork.oneblaze.com/KiahWeb/uvc_2008/imgs/lifestyle/2008_1ST_q/afro_dvd.jpg
http://www.soul-reflections.net/mis/DVD/Afro%20Samurai.jpg
Thanks! (Deftonesderrick (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
Thanks. I've checked them. Right now I'm debating with my wiki-friend AnmaFinotera whether the original Nou Nou Hau issue, the DVD cover, or the manga cover should be used. :) – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 23:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
(EC) Per project consensus, the image should be from the primary work, not just randomly selected because others like it. The primary work here is the manga series, so the current image of the first volume is the best one for the infobox. The only one that might be better is the original Japanese cover, but that's up to the editors of the page to decide which they prefer (as the project has decided that either is fine, with no consensus on a preference between the two). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Well you see the problem with that is that it was first released in the United States. Also, the manga that is pictured is a remake of the original amateur manga and was created after the release of the anime series. So what I'm trying to say is that maybe instead of that it should be the DVD cover because that's the first official release of the series. The original amateur manga was not released in volume format...it just kinda floats around. :P So we can't use that. – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 00:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Jump about this one. What AnmaFinotera is saying is that the manga series is the primary work but I think (at least for the English wikipedia) that the primary series for the picture would be the anime, since that was the first release and holds more informational and cultural weight from what I know. So either the picture needs to be the DVD cover or possibly the title card from the anime. This of course is all imho. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 01:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC))
I wouldn't say the title card for the anime, but maybe the DVD cover. It's just the manga really is not the first of anything. – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 02:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Inspiration of Afro Samurai(Bogus Japan that American thinks about)[edit]

http://www.cinema-factory.net/contents/317_afrosamurai/interview.html

アフロが好き、時代劇も大好きな日本人の僕が、アメリカ人の“間違えちゃった日本人観”で逆に遊んでみたいと思いました It was insisted that it have been influenced by bogus Japan that the American thought about. 221.184.33.122 (talk) 15:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Also, if the link for an article is in another language other than English, it shouldn't be linked in the English wiki page, thus negating the need for a new section. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 18:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC))
Huh? Wikipedia is not limited to English sources, especially not for foreign topics. If the source is reliable, then it is a valid source and should be incorporated. It appears to be an interview with the creators of Afro Samurai, including its creation/conception. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying, I've been told several different things regarding foreign citation. The prevailing thing is though, what does the article say exactly and how does it fit? I'm still not understanding what, "It was insisted that it have been influenced by bogus Japan that the American thought about" means. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 20:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC))
I'm not sure what the IP was trying to say either, though I'd guess English was not their first language. Better to just read the article itself and see what's usable. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, do you read what I believe is Japanese? Sadly I do not. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 23:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC))
It is Japanese and no, I do not. Google translator does a decent job, but probably best to see if someone from the project who does read it can give it a more thorough/accurate reading. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I am using an English machine translation. The amusing article was discovered and I wanted to offer it.221.184.33.122 (talk) 00:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The original writer says that it was influenced by strange Japan in an American movie. 221.184.33.122 (talk) 00:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying what it is you're trying to do but what does that mean? The sentence doesn't make sense. (Deftonesderrick (talk) 18:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC))
I think he's trying to say that per the article, the create was inspired to create Afro Samurai seeing a strange (and I'd guess stereotypical from the translations of the article) depiction of a Japanese character in an American film. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I am 221.184.33.122. Thank you for representing it. What you say is correct. 61.119.128.140 (talk) 08:43, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I think that might be what he's trying to say. I still don't get what this IP is trying to say really. Bogus Japan? :P – J U M P G U R U ask㋐㋜㋗ 19:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Why is not this important information reflected in Wikipedia?Afro Samurai was strongly influenced by American media that kept sending the wrong information of Japan. Because no one reflects it, I write it in Wikipedia. 220.106.176.104 (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

No one said the information wasn't important, we were saying the way it was worded was confusing (bad grammar). I've fixed what you wrote to read correctly. (Deftonesderrick 17:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC))

Takimoto[edit]

The synopsis really needs to explain who this is before just whipping out his name, or replace it with something like "a person meets a mysterious figure, who turns out to be Justice".72.12.219.170 (talk) 04:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


Episode Titling[edit]

Whoever decided to include two different titles for each episode should really give some kind of explanation. Is one the English name and the other a Japanese transliteration, were the episode titles changed when it was released on DVD, is the second title listed a subtitle? I would love to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowblinded (talkcontribs) 05:25, 30 August 2016 (UTC)