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Sweet Home Alabama?[edit]

this article shood have the song Sweet Home Alabama in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgsho (talkcontribs) 00:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Why?Chagallophile (talk) 18:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Where is the culture ? Songs, artists, literature and so on ? Gujjo (talk) 17:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

History: 1960-2000[edit]

Any particular reason the latest history section a) has hardly anything not pertaining to civil rights and b) ends over a decade ago? Can we get an update, please? 50.130.8.41 (talk) 03:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome to expand/update it yourself. Just keep in mind that the history section here is only an overview, the full version is at History of Alabama. You are correct though, the section pretty much addresses rural white dominance and civil rights only; it really needs to address many other subjects also. Altairisfar (talk) 12:44, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Christianity picture[edit]

This billboard along I-65 north of Millbrook attempts to get people to church by fear.

It seems to me that this picture ought to be in the religion section to underscore the dominance of Christianity in Alabama and show something unique to Alabama. I haven't yet figured out how best to work it in. -- ke4roh (talk) 04:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that this image is the best way to represent the nature of Christianity in the state. This particular image definitely represents one evangelical POV, but not necessarily the majority view. It is not unique to Alabama, you find signs of this genre all over the Deep South. While this image may be illustrative of how some Christians in Alabama attempt to force their views on others, for the main article the text is a better, neutral representation. Altairisfar (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I almost agree with you! Roy Moore and his electoral success drives me to think it's less POV and more representative of the state of the state. Perhaps the caption I hastily scribbled isn't the best, but that is easily fixed. An alternative image to convey more precisely the blending of the Christianity with Alabama's government would be the wooden plaque Moore hung in his courtroom before he ran for State Supreme Court. I found this non-free picture of the stone monument in the Supreme Court building. I have asked for permission to use it. -- ke4roh (talk) 18:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Permission granted. See File:Roy_Moore's_Ten_Commandments_monument.jpg. -- ke4roh (talk) 14:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I think that the best thing to do on the subject is to convert the Religion in Alabama link from a redirect to the religion section on this page into an in-dept article that covers religion in Alabama in general, plus the the undue influence Christianity has over our state institutions. Even Alabama Public Television was covered recently in the news for an alleged Christian bias with the appointment of a new director. That way, all aspects can be covered well enough to be balanced in a way that space won't allow here in the main article. Altairisfar (talk) 17:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. Would you like to take the first pass? -- ke4roh (talk) 19:33, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Without giving my opinion about whether the photo is appropriate for this article or not, I would like to argue against the idea that it is "representative". I grew up attending one of the largest Southern Baptist congregations in the state and our pastor more than once made fun of this well-known sign (or, specifically its predecessor) and got plenty of chuckles. If the simplistic message of the sign isn't even representative of the Southern Baptists in Alabama, I can't think how it could be any more representative of the state's broader spectrum of religious attitudes. --Dystopos (talk) 00:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
P.S. If you want to formulate a description of the importance of religion in Alabama, I suggest that Roy Moore's electoral results don't offer enough context. Perhaps a brief article compiled by eminent historian Wayne Flynt would be more useful: http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1617 --00:49, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Dystopos, for sharing your experience, and for the link to the article. Now we just need to scare up a few more sources and we can make a proper article of our own. -- ke4roh (talk) 02:03, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Ke4roh, I'd be happy to help with an article for religion in Alabama, but I don't know if I can do much at present. My on-wiki time has been very limited lately due to other commitments. My focus is writing articles for Alabama places on the NRHP (which I haven't had time to work on in almost two months) and attempts to copyedit and add/fix references for what is already contained within the Alabama article. I have little interest in anything pertaining to matters of faith, but if you start it I'll certainly try to help. Altairisfar (talk) 10:33, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Improvements to offer[edit]

I did some sprucing of this article as some improvement I'm trying to do to US state and related articles. This article is pretty good and thorough, with no obvious glaring issues, but there are means of improvement. I'm just suggesting these as a general recommendation that anyone, including myself, may consider adding.

1. The article seems to lack a characterization of the people of the state, which I see in other similar articles. It talks a lot about the state's famous history, but it lacks a more modern Culture section like most states have. A Culture section made by those familiar with the state would help talk about the population beyond just demographics.

2. The History section ends abruptly after the 1960s. I know not much has happened of significance since, but it might be useful to follow up and perhaps explain briefly how racial issues have evolved since or mention other events.

3. The Economic section doesn't talk at all about poverty, wages and wage gaps, or social security, which seems like information any state should have. The healthcare section is also rather short; a mention of health insurance figures in Alabama might help.

4. A lot of states have tables listing how the state voted in presidential elections. Alabama is missing this, and I think it would prove useful, especially when the Law section describes Alabama's shift from Democratic to a Republican stronghold. Scarlettail (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Sports[edit]

@Fnlayson: I wanted to share some ideas on how to improving the sports section. I propose adding some text discussing the popularity and success of its college football teams (I had begun adding some text along those lines, but you removed it). I think it's also worth mentioning in text that Alabama does not have any major league sports teams. I had some other ideas re reorganization and trimming, but we can put those aside for now. It's clear from your revert and edit summary that you took issue with my changes. If you would explain further what your main objections were, I'm optimistic we can quickly reach consensus on how to improve this section. Thanks. Barryjjoyce (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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