Talk:Algebrator

This page was proposed for deletion by D.Lazard (talk · contribs) on 3 November 2012 with the comment:
Non notable software falling under WP:OR (the unique reference is by the author of the software) and WP:SOAP
It was contested by Ks0stm (talk · contribs) on 19:56, 13 November 2012‎ with the comment:
Restored per request on my talk page

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Screen images

I am an adult who recently returned to school and I purchased this software last night. When I get a few minutes, I'll do some examples with it and upload some screen shots. 98.118.62.140 (talk) 18:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional references

A laundry list, until they can be sorted and included as appropriate in the article.

Google scholar [1]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yappy2bhere (talk • contribs) 21:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That would be good. Notability guidance requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". So far the only source that is not written by the author of the software is the four-paragraph mention in TechTrends [2], and I have to say that notability is not yet established. Deltahedron (talk) 18:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, that source describes it as an "algebra tutor", not a "computer algebra system". Deltahedron (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Peer-reviewed publications are "independent of the subject." Yappy2bhere (talk) 02:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting view. Notability guideline clearly states "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject or its creator. Can you provide a pointer to your claimed exception, or is it just a personal opinion? Deltahedron (talk) 07:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NRVE: "Sources of evidence include recognized peer reviewed publications, credible and authoritative books, reputable media sources, and other reliable sources generally." In contrast, WP:SIGCOV, which you're quoting but misrepresenting, states in full that

"Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject or its creator. For example, self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, the subject's website, autobiographies, and press releases are not considered independent. [ref]Works produced by the subject, or those with a strong connection to them, are unlikely to be strong evidence of notability.[/ref]

These are not self-published papers, and Jurkovic neither produces nor has a strong connection to the peer-reviewed publications that accepted them. Yappy2bhere (talk) 10:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which reminds me of this, Deltahedron. (It's humor - there's no need to parse it for wiki-appropriateness.) Yappy2bhere (talk) 10:38, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These are works produced by someone with a strong connection with the subject of the article, and hence are unlikely to be strong evidence of notability. Deltahedron (talk) 11:37, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, in this case, a single peer reviewed paper is not a strong evidence of notability. Otherwise, every scientific result would deserve its own article in WP. D.Lazard (talk) 11:47, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The work referred to by the policy is the publication, not the paper. The sources are WP:RS because the publication exercises oversight and discretion in what it permits to be published. Yappy2bhere (talk) 17:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, these sources are reliable sources, but they're not independent reliable sources. I generally take scientific publications with >100 cites (excluding self-cites) as indicating that coverage exists in those citing publications. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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