Talk:Alien Swarm

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Vaypertrail keeps adding the notability template because there aren't "3rd party articles covering it". For his benefit, here are some Google search results: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8].

These are not used for citations in the article because they are inherently less reliable than official sources. Those I have read also contain fewer details than the Steam pages. If you really think that an article on Kotaku is required before Wikipedia covers a subject, Vaypertrail, you should look it up and add it yourself instead of slapping a template on the page and expecting someone else to do the (very, very minor!) legwork. --Tom Edwards (talk) 07:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


Mods are an integral part of this game and therefore, a link to the only mods site on the internet for the game is a justifiable edit. Many people have expressed their hapiness with the link on our forums so the removal is unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't matter how many people want the link in the article. It's a fansite, and fansites are to be avoided per the WP:FANSITE guideline I linked. Looking at it from another angle, I don't see the website offering any insight that the article doesn't. With this particular fansite being focused on modding only, I don't see what the point of including it here is, apart from self-promotion. I don't wanna assume too many things here, but are you by chance affiliated with the website, as in a member of it? The reason I'm asking is because of the conflict of interest guidelines. Eik Corell (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Which wiki do we include?[edit]

So far, this [9] has been included. Recently, an editor added this[10] in its place. Links to open Wikis are normally to be avoided per WP:ELNO, unless they have "substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.". Checking both, the first Wiki meets this requirement better than the swarmhub one, so I'm reverting to the old version. Per the same rule, fansites are normally to be avoided, too, unless written by a "recognized authority", so I'm removing the fansite, too. Eik Corell (talk) 16:43, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

While I can understand your argument, I heartily disagree. The Alien Swarm Wiki at SwarmHub is part of the Valve Wiki Network, meaning it is linked to from OverWiki, the Left 4 Dead Wiki and the Official Team Fortress Wiki, thus it has more exposure. Further more, it's also run by a number of people from the Official Team Fortress Wiki, meaning the quality will likely be or is higher. I understand and concede to the removal of the Fan site, but I believe the wiki should stay. (talk) 16:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
What sites exactly link this new wiki? I need the links to see whether or not they could call for an exception to the normal rules regarding wikis. Eik Corell (talk) 17:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Sure. [ Combine OverWiki], well known and accepted Half Life 2 wiki. [ Left 4 Dead Wiki]. And the Official Team Fortress Wiki recognised by Valve. Good enough? (talk) 17:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry. Required the http:// Combine OverWiki, Left 4 Dead Wiki and Official Team Fortress Wiki. (talk) 17:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
We use the most reliable source which is the Wikia site. I don't care about the "Valve Wiki Network" that has no standing here. The Wikia site is a more complete information resource. --Xero (talk) 12:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
That is an entirely flawed argument and one based entirely upon your opinion. Please do not remove the wiki. (talk) 01:27, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Unidentified user from Bristol, UK you might want to stop switching your IP address in order to vandalize this page. So far you have used,,, and in order to make regressive edits. The problem with that plan is they all point to the exact same service provider, and you make the same edit each time. --Xero (talk) 02:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I would be wary of an IP from Bristol because Smashman, the creator of swarmhub, is from Bristol. If he were replacing the Wikia link with his own site, then he would be violating WP:COI. —LOL T/C 03:28, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I see, and now we have from Surrey making the same regressive edits. How about we compromise. --Xero (talk) 11:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

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