Talk:Anti-Christian sentiment

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Problematic focus[edit]

The article overwhelmingly focuses on violent actions taken against Christians by largely fundamentalist, extremist faiths--while nearly completely neglecting to mention historical or peaceful discussion, which is arguably comprises the world's anti-Christian sentiment. In other words, the article gives readers the impression that being anti-Christian means committing acts of violence and terror, which is kind of like saying being anti-Creationist means that you have to kill Creationists. More sources from the Enlightenment, literary criticism, and other non-violent sources would help balance out the article. 163.29.35.147 (talk) 02:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Considering the contents of this article, I move to have the article renamed "Violence against Christians" and start a new page that actually examines anti-Christian sentiment in general. 163.29.35.147 (talk) 01:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Please identify violence in article here. Then, if no comment from other editors in a few days, move it to Persecution of Christians, a long standing article deliberately established for that purpose. Only anti-Christian sentiment should go in this article. Nothing hands-on, not arson, etc. Student7 (talk) 18:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

How do I do that? Is there a template that I copy and paste? 163.29.35.147 (talk) 01:24, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I deleted a few "see" topics that were violent. You are going to have to say here, under a separate topic "Proposed move," that you intend to move the following paragraphs or sentences to Persecution of Christians because they are not sentiment which belongs here.
  • Nile City vandals killed three people...."
  • Rioting Liberians shot three Christians...."

etc. Sentence or paragraph by sentence and paragraph. It doesn't have to be the entire paragraph. Just so everyone knows that you think it doesn't belong here. We need specifics before you move them. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 23:09, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Pretty much the whole section on Pakistan crosses the "sentiment/persecution" line IMO:

At least a dozen Christians have been given death sentences, and half a dozen murdered after being accused of violating blasphemy laws. In 2005, 80 Christians were behind bars due to these laws.

Christians in Pakistan are reportedly being subjected to a genocide by Pakistani Taliban.

A pattern of attacks on Christian children shows the "Pakistani police either failed to act or sided with the rapists and murderers."

Execution, genocide, attacks, rape murder. Not much sentiment there. Chuntuk (talk) 00:12, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

The first one is problematical because it involves actual laws. The sentiment of these laws is Anti-Christian in "some" analysts opinion. The fact that those sentenced receive the death penalty, is perhaps beside the point for an actual law. It takes negative sentiment for these laws to be passed. The "violence" is legal IMO.
I agree with you about moving the last two, if you believe them to be properly cited, to the violence article. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 19:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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Not sure why these orphaned images are there - will try to add some captions and/or context and make sure they are in the right sections.Timtempleton (talk) 05:00, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 February 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. A new RM or merge discussion can be opened at editors' discretion. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


Anti-Christian sentimentRecent anti-Christian violence and intimidation – As discussed previously on the article's Talk page, the article basically only covers recent attacks, neglecting anything more than a few decades old, whereas the complete history is covered in the Persecution of Christians article. Also, the article is not about sentiment. It is about actions, not feelings. As someone put it here on the Talk page a couple of years ago, "the article gives readers the impression that being anti-Christian means committing acts of violence and terror, which is kind of like saying being anti-Creationist means that you have to kill Creationists." As I put it nearly five years ago, "If the article is devoted to a specific period of time, shouldn't that scope be reflected in its title?" —BarrelProof (talk) 06:47, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Support titles should reflect article content. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. No title should begin with "recent". Articles are based on sources, and sources are dated. The article content is not ok, it needs to be focused into a defined, notable topic, or deleted as WP:OR. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:34, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
  • OPpose per SmokeyJoe. We should never use "recent", as that is a baseless title, and is also a self-defining violation of WP:RECENTISM. If this article covers a particular timeframe, then that timeframe should be explicitly declared. If, as I suspect, it has a lot of overlap with the Persecution of Christians article, then we need clearer delineation or a merge. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I would rather see it renamed Persecution of Christians in the modern era. The content from the section, Modern era (1815 to 1989) found in Persecution of Christians should be merged with it. The latter article is already too long. Veritycheck✔️ (talk) 11:55, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.