Talk:Argument from desire

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All the "Critisms" of this argument suck. They are all mostly refuted by rereading the article. Jasonlfunk (talk) 01:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, the criticisms section is bunk. I'm going to go put an "original research" tag on it, if I can figure out how to do that. Misterbailey (talk) 04:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Changed my mind. I deleted the criticisms section, since it was basically a waste of space. A criticisms section would be good, but this was nothing more than "here's why the argument is wrong," which is not at all appropriate. A "criticisms" section would document criticisms that notable thinkers have made of this argument, and would not synthesize original or partly original arguments, however valid the criticisms might be. Misterbailey (talk) 04:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, the criticism is a little OR. I personally think this argument is amongst the weakest of all the arguments in this section of wikipedia, but fully udnerstand that in itself, that isn't enough. A bit of searching turned up at least one valid citation where the argument has been disputed, so I have put the criticism section back in, but on a different basis- this time around instances where it has been rejected. It is a lot smaller, as this argument appears to be pretty rarely used to justify belief in God, but still. I will add more sources as I find them.122.106.160.244 (talk) 10:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, this looks good. Misterbailey (talk) 02:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
No probs. Found another source from Sigmund Freud, who is a bit more notable from the others, so I've slotted that in as well. I think it looks pretty good now.122.106.160.244 (talk) 06:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I am very well acquainted with the argument from desire, which does not proport to be a logical proof. I concur with the assessment that the criticism section is mostly OR. It cites About.com as a source, which is not exactly authoratative. I propose to take a pass through the section line by line to seek sources on the material and remove what isn't supportable. I won't if anyone disagrees and would like to team up to working on improving this section of text.

KSci (talk) 02:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Proposed lead change[edit]

The lead is incomplete, awkward, and lacks citations. The reason for this re-write is to minimally but clearly describe the topic to be covered and set the stage for the articles discussion. The list of CS Lewis works this lead omits would be displaced to the body text. Suggested text:

The Argument from Desire is a Christian apologetic argument that is not a 'proof', but argues that certain natural human desires point to the existence of something with the desired characteristics, which include perfections attributed to the Christian God.[1][2] The argument's is most often attributed to the literary works of C.S. Lewis beginning in the early 1930s,[3] though some parts of the argument were expressed as early as St. Augustine's autobiography, The Confessions., in 400 AD.[4] The Philosopher Peter Kreeft's 1994 formal presentation of Lewis' literary arguments, provided here, is frequently referenced in contemporary discussions[5].

[1] http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/desire.htm also http://apollos.ws/argument-from-desire/The%20Argument%20From%20Desire.pdf)

[2] Kreeft, P., and Tacelli, R. K. (1994) Handbook of Christian Apologetics. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

[3] http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/theistic-proofs/the-teleological-argument/the-argument-from-desire/

[4] The Confessions, Saint Augustine's autobiography (354-430)

[5] Journal Knowing and Doing; Art Lindsley, Ph.D.; Fall 2003 — Preceding unsigned comment added by KSci (talkcontribs) 18:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Weight of Glory quote is about heaven[edit]

This quote is from a different argument from the topic, propose removal. 73.238.32.210 (talk) 05:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)