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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 23:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll review this article. FunkMonk (talk) 23:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Articles should generally not have separate "galleries", the images there should be incorporated article body or removed.
 Fixed --Երևանցի talk 18:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't need citations in the intro, it is just supposed to be a summary of the text in the article body.
Well, citations aren't prohibited from the intro. --Երևանցի talk 18:57, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, but they shouldn't be overused there. Three citations for a simple statement is over the top for the intro. FunkMonk (talk) 19:48, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the Landmarks and institutions section should be moved to at least after history.
 Done--Երևանցի talk 18:57, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "uncovering of Christian holy places in the city." Like which?
Not specified in the source. --Երևանցի talk 13:20, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "by rejecting dual nature of Christ" The dual nature?
Yes. That's an actual thing. See Hypostatic union for more. The phrase "dual nature" is used there.--Երևանցի talk 18:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I know, I meant there should be "the" in front of dual nature there... "The dual nature of Christ". FunkMonk (talk) 14:29, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed--Երևանցի talk 07:53, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • What source is the map at the top based on? I know it is based on another file, but there must be some published map that one is based on or similar to as well.
It seems to be based on a map uploaded to WikiTravel and not a published source.--Երևանցի talk 18:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Likewise with this[1] map.
The source is already indicated.--Երևանցի talk 10:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source of this[2] image?
I provided the source at Wikimedia Commons.--Երևանցի talk 10:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "forcing them to leave Jerusalem." and "A seventh-century Armenian chronicler mentioned the existence of seventy Armenian monasteries" So what happened in between? Did some Armenians not leave, or did some return in the meantime?
Presumably they returned after 637. The existence of monasteries doesn't mean that they were active, I presume. I'll have to look into this. --Երևանցի talk 10:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jerusalemite historian Mujir al-Din provided a detailed description of pre-Ottoman Jerusalem in 1495. He mentioned Dir el-Arman (Monastery of the Armenians) or Kanisat Mar Ya'qub (St. James Cathedral), which is "situated in the middle of the south part of the nineteenth century-defined Armenian Quarter. The Armenian Quarter (Haret el-Arman of future centuries) was unique among the quarters of Jerusalem in that it was an enclosure which developed along the years around the Armenian Monastery."[32]" Who is quoted here? I'm sure a 1495 historian wouldn't say "nineteenth century-defined"? I think this entire quote could just be paraphrased, especialy because it comes right after another long, differently formatted quote.
Actually the quote it irrelevant. Deleted it for good.--Երևանցի talk 18:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "nineteenth century-defined" Which began when?
What began when? The 19th century? Not relevant anymore. --Երևանցի talk 18:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This was signified that" Seems was should be removed?
 Done--Երևանցի talk 10:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Israeli historians Kark and Oren-Nordheim wrote:" When?
 Done--Երևանցի talk 10:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "he significant increase in the population in 1690 is attributed to urbanization experienced" So did the Armenians who moved to Jerusalem come from provincial parts of Palestine, or what is meant by urbanisation?
It's not specified in the source.--Երևանցի talk 18:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and Latin communities" Catholics? Why not eliminate all ambiguity?
 Done--Երևանցի talk 10:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "of which Armenians (121) comprised less than one-third (31.7%). Jews (127) made up 33.2%, Christians (94) 24.6%" Other Christians.
 Done--Երևանցի talk 10:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 1947 around 1,500 Armenians from Palestine repatriated to Soviet Armenia" Why?
We can't say for sure why each of those 1,500 moved to Armenia. The Soviet Armenian government with the permission of the central government of the Soviet Union organized a large scale repatriation of ethnic Armenians. Do you think some background should be provided in this article? --Երևանցի talk 18:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not much more is needed, but could be nice for context. FunkMonk (talk) 14:29, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done--Երևանցի talk 12:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You use three different ways of showing quotes (within other paragraphs, as their own paragraphs, and in boxes), this should be standardised.
 Fixed--Երևանցի talk 17:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the short quotes within other paragraphs could simply be paraphrased, no need to overuse non-free text for no reason.
If you can't think of an immediate solution, it isn't a big deal for GA. Might be brought up by someone else later, though. FunkMonk (talk) 16:57, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Jerusalem Post also wrote" When? Always give dates for such claims.
 Done--Երևանցի talk 10:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The long boxed quote under Issues seems redundant in relation to the adjacent text.
 Fixed--Երևանցի talk 17:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have put forced pixel sizes in many images, this should be removed from photos, according to the manual of style.
 Fixed--Երևանցի talk 09:27, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and "their feeling of loneliness"." Such quotes always need in-text attribution.
 Done--Երևանցի talk 19:37, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "because it has geographically relatively isolated " Has seems wrong here.
 Fixed--Երևանցի talk 19:37, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unde Language, you could mention whether they speak Hewbrew or Arabic in addition to Armenian.
Have not come across any such information. I assume few speak Hebrew and Arabic has traditionally dominated.--Երևանցի talk 17:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some of the footnotes seem redundant in relation to some of the text.
  • Some of the entries under Landmarks and institutions do not have citations.
  • You only cover Armenians in the demographics section. But the text would indicate others live there was well (Jews, other Christians), and they should therefore also be covered and numbered.
True. But there is simply no information on non-Armenians living in the quarter. The Jewish population is somewhat covered in the Jewish settlement section. --Երևանցի talk 10:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mahmoud Abbas stated:" Present him.
 Done--Երևանցի talk 10:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "geographical division of Old City" Missing the.
 Fixed--Երևանցի talk 12:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jewish views" This should maybe rather be called Israeli views.
But Israel doesn't represent all Jews. Does the Rabbie quoted here really speak for Israel or its people? The term "Israel" is used here for the Israeli government. I've added Israel's official position on Jerusalem and renamed the section to "Israeli and Jewish views". --Երևանցի talk 12:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • " Located in the southwestern corner of the Old City,[4] it can be accessed through the Zion Gate and Jaffa Gate.[5] It occupies an area of 0.126 km² (126 dunam), which is 14% of the Old City's total. In 2007 it had a population of 2,424 (6.55% of Old City's total). In both criteria, it is comparable to the Jewish Quarter.[6] The Armenian Quarter is separated from the Christian Quarter by David Street (Suq el-Bazaar) and by Habad Street (Suq el-Husur) from the Jewish Quarter.[7]" Much of this info is only in the intro. All of it should also be in the article, as the intro should not have unique info, and is only a summary of the article.
 Done--Երևանցի talk 16:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It is thus considered the oldest living diaspora community outside the Armenian homeland." Likewise.
 Done--Երևանցի talk 08:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The patriarchate is the de facto administrator of the quarter and "acts as a mini-welfare state" for the Armenian residents." Likewise.
 Done--Երևանցի talk 16:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The intro should not use any citations not used in the article, and the footnotes should not be placed there, but in the article.
Almost done.--Երևանցի talk 09:27, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I was kind of busy. Will address the issues asap. --Երևանցի talk 10:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
FunkMonk As far as I can see, I've addressed most of the issues raised here. Could you please go over the article and tell me if I've missed anything?--Երևանցի talk 17:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it looks quite good, so will now pass. FunkMonk (talk) 18:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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