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Historical inaccuracy[edit]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this comment. The text states: The Hassidean sect, founded by the Ba'al Shem Tov in the 18th century, attracted observant Jews to its fold and they lived as holy warriors in the wilderness during the war against the Seleucid Empire.

The war against the Seleucid Empire took place roughly two millenia prior to the Ba'al Shem Tov. Chasidism is pietistic, not ascetic, although given the conditions under which Jews lived in Eastern Europe in the 17th through 19th centuries, there was probably quite a bit of "making a virtue of necessity." In any event, the statement as it stands is incorrect. Bob Rabinoff rar113@columbia.edu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.76.238.2 (talk) 08:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Does generalizing about religion really work[edit]

Let me begin by expressing my appreciation for all the effort and thought that has already gone into this article.

That said, I did read the article and feel a little out of synch with it. The problem I believe is in trying to suggest--as the article does in several places--that any religion, whether it be Judaism, Christianity or Buddhism or particularly Hinduism, consists of any single consistent philosophy. All of the major religions have developed divisions over time that can be almost diametrically opposed in some parts of their philosophy to other divisions within the same religion. Christianity has sects that believe in an embodied evil--Satan--and that is clearly dualistic, and it has others that clearly reject such dualism. There is just no value here in trying to suggest that one view is more representative than another. It is a waste of breath.

So with asceticism, it would seem that much of the discussion above could solved if there were only references to where asceticism arises within each belief, and avoid any temptation to suggest whether it is representative or not.

But asceticism can be undertaken for different reasons. In much practice, asceticism is undertaken simply as a way of defeating attachment to pleasures; in other practices, it is a form of self-punishment--"temptation" is seen as a sin of the flesh.

Perhaps I'm getting to far afield here. Hope the comments add something.

--174.7.25.37 (talk) 06:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Section on Secular ascetism? Suggestion[edit]

This section is a miscellany of unreferenced examples of non-spiritual abstinence, most for limited periods of time, added by an unregistered editor. Abstinence is not as extreme as ascetism, which is more a lifestyle of "severe self-discipline... from all forms of indulgence..." (Oxford Dictionary of English).

This and the following section on "Religious versus secular motivation" should be deleted unless we can find authoritative sources that explain what secular ascetism looks like and who practises it. Even then, we need to be careful as I suspect it is WP:FRINGE. Ascetism, as the ODE, states is "typically for religious reasons [as in] a life of prayer, fasting and manual labour." --Bermicourt (talk) 14:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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WP:OR and WP:Undue[edit]

@Rugged Player: The sections you have added about mythology etc seem undue, offtopic and POV/OR. For example, you added WP:Coatrack content such as,

Quote: "Nagas are a group if rishis in the RV. Snakes are also known as "nagas", and amongst the RV mendicants, there are ones identified belonging to a Naga group."

Please explain how such mythology is consistent with WP:Due content guidelines, in this article on asceticism? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)