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Section on Secular ascetism? Suggestion[edit]

This section is a miscellany of unreferenced examples of non-spiritual abstinence, most for limited periods of time, added by an unregistered editor. Abstinence is not as extreme as ascetism, which is more a lifestyle of "severe self-discipline... from all forms of indulgence..." (Oxford Dictionary of English).

This and the following section on "Religious versus secular motivation" should be deleted unless we can find authoritative sources that explain what secular ascetism looks like and who practises it. Even then, we need to be careful as I suspect it is WP:FRINGE. Ascetism, as the ODE, states is "typically for religious reasons [as in] a life of prayer, fasting and manual labour." --Bermicourt (talk) 14:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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WP:OR and WP:Undue[edit]

@Rugged Player: The sections you have added about mythology etc seem undue, offtopic and POV/OR. For example, you added WP:Coatrack content such as,

Quote: "Nagas are a group if rishis in the RV. Snakes are also known as "nagas", and amongst the RV mendicants, there are ones identified belonging to a Naga group."

Please explain how such mythology is consistent with WP:Due content guidelines, in this article on asceticism? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

@S Khemadhammo has proposed a merger of this article and Mortification of the flesh.

Comments[edit]

  • Oppose: Asceticism comes in many varieties some of which does not include mortification of flesh, as this article and the cited sources explain. Similarly, there are ritual practices that involve "mortification of the flesh", such as Magdarame in Philippines during the Christian holy week and Tatbir among Shia Muslims. This mortification has little to do with a life of asceticism. Two different topics these are, and therefore we should retain two different wikipedia articles for these topics. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:51, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
I see your point. My main reason for suggesting the merger is that the article about mortification is only focused on Christianity. Merging it into the article on Ascetism might have solved this.--S Khemadhammo (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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