Talk:Belvoir, Doubs

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French Wiki is what I could easily access. routedescommunes.com was until now the apparent sole source, but it's not a reliable one, it included for instance Vincent of Beauvais as a lord of Belvoir, which he was not - hardly anything is known about his life, and the name used is derived from the Beauvais monastery in Picardy where he lived for a while. Beauvais as a name (also Beauvoir or Beauvir, 'lovely view') is pretty much synonymous to Belvoir, but the two places are geographically far from each other. True, Vincent was also known in Latin as Vincentius Burgundus, and Doubs is in Burgundy (Bourgogne), but I couldn't find out why Vincent was associated with Burgundy (maybe by mistake?), and 'Burgundus' is just a secondary Latin name, always mentioned (if at all) after Vincentius Bellovacensis, "of Beauvais". Also, his was by no way "the first encyclopaedia"; maybe the first one written in France. It looks like local patriots or PR people trying to attract tourists ("route des communes"!). Unfortunately, there are scores of websites who've copied this word for word, probably from enWiki or frWiki.

Another unsupported claim from routedescommunes.com is that two lords of Belvoir went on Crusades, Hervis and Huon (Hue in French; Hue I more specifically, as there was also a Hue/Huon II). I couldn't find anywhere anything about the existence of a Hervis de/of Belvoir/Rougemont (in all 4 combinations). After the fiasco with Vincent of Beauvais, I chose not to accept this factlet offered by routedescommunes. If you find a source for him, please let me know - and put him back in. But please, not the Hervis from Warcraft :) Hervis of Metz is also fictional, so don't go there either. Arminden (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]