Talk:Bemidbar (parashah)

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RFK speech

I read the RFK speech I don't see the connection to the Parsha. It needs to be removed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swingout (talk • contribs) 09:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article includes a reference to Bobby Kennedy's GNP speech because the point of Kennedy's speech was that numbers do not tell the whole story about America as he saw it. Similarly, numbers like those in the census portrayed in Parshah Bamidbar did not tell the whole story about the Israelites then. And that may be part of the reason why the Torah text often shows hesitation with conducting censuses. -- Dauster (talk) 11:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion leads me to conclude: (a) RFK's speech is too distant from the subject to be included in this article; (b) Dauster's opinions on the relevance of RFK's speech to this article and on the interpretation of the parsha are WP:OR; and (c) the way to make Dauster's point is to cite an appropriate source that makes that point. So, I'm removing that entry. --Rich Janis (talk) 11:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just so that future readers will understand the context of this discussion, in remarks at the University of Kansas on March 18, 1968, Robert Kennedy said this about counting things only by the numbers:

"Our Gross National Product, now, is over $800 billion dollars a year, but that Gross National Product - if we judge the United States of America by that - that Gross National Product counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage. It counts special locks for our doors and the jails for the people who break them. It counts the destruction of the redwood and the loss of our natural wonder in chaotic sprawl. It counts napalm and counts nuclear warheads and armored cars for the police to fight the riots in our cities. It counts Whitman's rifle and Speck's knife, and the television programs which glorify violence in order to sell toys to our children. Yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans."

-- Dauster (talk) 11:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

REQUEST: Please see the centralized discussion about this subject, relating to sources, links, content, etc at Talk:Chayei Sarah (parsha). Thank you, IZAK (talk) 09:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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