Talk:Ben Shneiderman

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Wikimedia 2006[edit]

This person will be a presenter at Wikimania 2006 and thus lots of people may be looking here for more information. Now would be a great time to work on this article or expand it if possible! Thanks Brassratgirl 05:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Controversies section[edit]

I removed the controversies section because there is no mention in the source cited that shows Noble has ever commented on Shneiderman. Link is http://gse.buffalo.edu/fas/bromley/classes/socprac/readings/CHE_on_Noble.htm. 69.25.143.33 (talk) 18:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

That link points to a review of Mr. Noble's book, not the book itself. Are you saying that the book does not reference Mr. Shneiderman? Wikipedia doesn't decide whether something is made up, it just reports what the reliable sources say. Chrisw80 (talk) 18:33, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
The Chronicle of Higher Education is not a book by David Noble, it's a journal (chronicle.com), and the source cited was an article in that journal. I found the text of that article, linked that as the reference, then realized it doesn't support the claim it was cited for, and so removed the claim. 69.25.143.33 (talk) 18:38, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
update - thanks for the change. I'm uncomfortable with a vague claim that 'some people criticize him for things' with no citations and don't feel it's worth including, but I don't feel strongly enough to remove it if you want to keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.25.143.33 (talk) 18:41, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I think you have a point there, and noticed it when I was making the edit. If the controversy has been reported, though, I'm uncomfortable removing it altogether. Maybe we can figure out a better way to phrase it, or better sourcing? Chrisw80 (talk) 18:44, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm actually not convinced that it's a real controversy. The quote from Shneiderman that is supposed to be 'responding to criticism' seems to actually be a criticism of Noble's general ideas and there's no evidence it was a response to anything about him. 69.25.143.33 (talk) 18:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Hmm. Fair enough, per WP:BLP the content SHOULD be removed in that case. Please accept my apologies, I'll remove the content entirely for now and look into it more later. Thanks for working with me on it! Hopefully you understand why I reverted your changes initially? Chrisw80 (talk) 19:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
yes, thanks for working with me on it. 69.25.143.33 (talk) 19:11, 24 February 2016 (UTC)