Talk:Bent's New Fort

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NHS vs. NRHP

Hey, the article currently states the ruins are included in a National Historic Site (United States), but I am not sure that's correct. They are in fact included in a listing on the National Register of Historic Places. It would be unusual for them to be in a NHS, which is rare. NHS places are like National Parks, I think there may be rangers and so on.

Checking the wikipedia list about NHSs, there is Bent's Old Fort National Historic Site which is an NHS, but that is a different place, right? Or, does that NHS actually include this place too? --Doncram (talk) 00:15, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, you're right! That needs to be corrected. No, the Bent's Old Fort listing doesn't also include the New Fort.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:22, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

article title and intro

It seems we/you have a bunch of info about Bent's New Fort, while we have less about the "Santa Fe Trail Mountain Route-Bent's New Fort" listing on the NRHP. How about move this to Bent's New Fort, and present the NRHP stuff secondarily. Moving will take an admin's help I think.

Possible intro: " Bent's New Fort was a fort on the bank of the Arkansas River(?) in what is now Bent County, Colorado, on the Mountain Route branch of the Santa Fe Trail. Etc. The fort ruins and some portion of the trail are listed on the NRHP as Santa Fe Trail Mountain Route-Bent's New Fort." --Doncram (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Doncram, I see your point about the mountain route being a big part of the story. I have been trying to find information specific to "Santa Fe Trail Mountain Route--Bent's New Fort" and found this by History Colorado, mostly about the Fort/Bents. It would be really helpful to see the nomination form.

In theory, I don't have a problem with two different articles. I can see that the specifics about the fort would be in Bent's New Fort and it would just be focused on the trade and transportation aspects of the fort for Santa Fe Trail Mountain Route-Bent's New Fort. And, then, of course add (or move?) content about the Mountain Route branch of the Santa Fe Trail.

I guess the more I typed this, the more convinced I am about having a separate article for New Bent's Fort, it's just we're already splitting up the info for Fort Lyon so it seems disjointed, but probably will seem less so later. I'll see if I can move over the redirect. Sorry if I'm rambling... thinking it through.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:14, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I couldn't move it. I put in a move request here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Doncram, The page has been moved and I modified the intro based upon your proposed wording... see what you think. I also started a stub for Santa Fe Trail Mountain Route-Bent's New Fort and found the multiple locations form that included this NRHP listing. There is a ton of good information there, but I didn't want to duplicate what is already in the Bent related articles (Bent's New Fort, Bent's Old Fort, William Bent) and the Mountain Route article, so I didn't add anything for now. Perhaps you have ideas about what should be included there.–CaroleHenson (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]