Talk:Bodies (Sex Pistols song)

Joie de Vivre edit

The edit by Joie de Vivre had a number of things wrong with it. Firstly, if we have to use "pro-choice" rather than "pro-abortion," then we have to use "pro-life" instead of "anti-abortion," according to NPOV. Secondly, the article doesn't make sense if it says that Lydon isn't pro-choice but believes that the choice must be the mother's, since this is the very definition of being pro-choice. If someone wants to tease out the language to be more NPOV/PC, go ahead, but please keep it accurate. Finally, just because John Lydon of the 21st century is pro-choice doesn't mean that that's how he and his bandmates viewed things in writing the song decades ago. Lydon may condemn those who believe the song is against abortion, but it takes a lot of tortured interpretation to look at the lyrics of the song and think of the song as being pro-choice. Calbaer 23:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Joie de Vivre 23:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Lydon is full of it

He's just backtracking because it's now too explosively un-PC. It's obvious what the point of the song is. It's sad that the supposed "rebel" has been cowed by the establishment.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.36 (talk) 23:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I rather agree, but it seems to me that the significant part of this whole biz is not what John Lydon Thinks About Abortion (WGAF - he's hardly an authority, and no longer a role model), but the interesting contrast between the Pistols' squeamish approach to this subject and their cheery musical take on Belsen elsewhere.

Which is about what you'd expect from a bunch of none-too-bright kids being tenaciously rude about things: easy to chuckle as long as it's abstract; less so when it's right there in its plastic bag. Neither expressed attitude is rational. --Cdavis999 (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The entire purpose of the Sex Pistols was to make money. Lydon was never "punk" like Crass was. If you read the lyrics carefully, you'll see he's poking fun at punks and punk rock itself. For you Brits, he's taking the piss. Every interview he ever gave he clearly states it's about the money. Lydon has no political views at all. There was a recent interview in a mag I should have bought so I could quote it where he avoids political questions of today an yesterday and instead talks about his lunch, why he lives in a Beverly Hills mansion instead of a London flat and how he misses his parents. In short, it's all Bollocks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.81.76 (talk) 00:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Gosh darn Karma Police

Or should that be attitude NAZIs?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.229.107 (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

That you, John? If not, good impersonation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.149.115 (talk) 15:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Pro-Choice?

Lydon is not on the record claiming that it is a pro-choice song. In an interview with VH1 he said that it is neither strictly pro-life nor strictly pro-choice, but that its message is to "think about it", and apply rationality to the issue instead of a knee-jerk response either way. This should be addressed on the page, which right now shows clear liberal bias.--Kshymanik (talk) 04:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the message is there is no message. It's just a song about an abortion, not pro or against abortion. Having an abortion is not a pleasant experience for anyone. But sometimes it's the only thing you can do. John Lydon is not pro or against abortion, he just describes it as it is, period. 81.53.227.59 (talk) 19:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Example

"In 2000, John Lydon went on the record as pro-choice[3], supporting the choice of a 13 year old French girl to use the morning after pill without her parents' knowledge."
From what I can read in the article, the story of 13 years old French girl did not happen for real, it's just an example. "If you're a 13 yo girl, you can...". 81.53.227.59 (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It's about Pauline

The song is about the disturbing behaviour of a person (Pauline) in a state of diminished responsibility. Being pro or anti abortion doesn't come into it. It was Pauline's gory stories and waving around of foetuses which motivated Lydon to write the song. Faesces are pretty gross and some mentally ill people like to parade their stools around, but a song about that would not amount to a song opposed to going to the bathroom.62.190.148.115 (talk) 11:00, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

So who performed it then?

In 2005, a "barnyard" arrangement by Steve Jones and Scott Weiland was performed on Jones' radio show, with the use of the word "fuck" changed to "pluck".