Talk:Boom Boom (John Lee Hooker song)

Year

According to this article, Boom Boom was released in 1962 (infobox), and reached the charts in 1961 (text). Same problem on the John Lee Hooker page. Stijn (talk) 12:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

release date

according to "Whiskey & Wimmen:Hooker's Finest" (an official Vee-Jay and John Lee Hooker release) and to the John Lee Hooker official site and Facebook page, "Boom Boom" was released on April,1962 not May. 37.100.76.146 (talk) 17:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide readable links to reliable sources that support an April 1962 release date. Rhino Records, which is currently used as the source for the May 1962 date, is a prominent reissue label that has released many blues albums, often with extensive liner notes by well-known music writers and researchers. If other reliable sources show different details, it is possible that there is a case of conflicting sources. This does not necessarily mean that one is correct and the other is wrong; details on recording and releases for 60+ year-old blues songs sometimes have been lost or were sketchy to begin with. Meanwhile, the only citation in the article shows May, so it should be left as is until new reliable sources are provided. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yes it is useless for me April or May, I know Rhino Records is a great label, but all my sources says April - "Whiskey & Wimmen:Hooker's Finest" is an original Vee-Jay/Concord and an official John Lee Hooker release,liner notes are by Bill Dahl and sources are Vee-Jay files and boxes tapes, also the official Facebook John Lee Hooker page said that...but for me it is not important. 37.100.76.146 (talk) 16:38, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again, provide a readable link to a reliable source that shows this. Otherwise, it is just another unverifiable claim that should not be added to the article. —14:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@[1]https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/634895/files/22055655/1600x2048x2/john-lee-hooker-whiskey-wimmen-his-finest.jpg 37.100.101.28 (talk) 16:13, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

it is also written "Boom Boom" #1 on the r&b charts... 37.100.101.28 (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[2]https://i.discogs.com/OiwBWb64S74FcJmToyjWcgsSP_XIbaM4MMIrDbb1zn4/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTEwMDc5/MzE2LTE1MDI3NTI1/MjUtMjk0NC5qcGVn.jpeg 37.100.101.28 (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[3]https://i.discogs.com/lJqun2vA44aDqlDXjvMxo4t5fVQdvQgUB4iXTNtXNYk/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTEwMDc5/MzE2LTE1MDI3NTI1/MzEtMTQ5Mi5qcGVn.jpeg 37.100.101.28 (talk) 16:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FINALLY!!! Added to article. Bill Dahl wrote the essay for the liner notes, but it's unclear if he also provided the track info. Whoever wrote "R&B #1" is definitely wrong or it might be a typo (the "6" left off "16"?). In a 1998 Billboard article, it was noted "Between 1955 and 1964, Hooker recorded mostly for Vee-Jay Records, where he racked up a No. 16 R&B and No. 60 Pop hit with 'Boom Boom' in 1962."[4] This is confirmed by Whitburn (1988, p.194) and billboard.com.[5] (P.S. the discogs links don't work). —Ojorojo (talk) 17:05, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

i don't think so...i think the problem is that Billboard didn't publish the r&b charts for a couple of years, in the early 1960s and probably in 1962, so this chart position is from Cashbox...anyway I have many sources which state that, but it is ok for me, just when I talk I don't say nonsense...see also Muddy Waters discography and Albert King "I'll Play For You", and thank you. 37.100.101.28 (talk) 17:25, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

my discogs links? they work to me... 37.100.101.28 (talk) 17:27, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to believe that two actual Billboard sources that state "R&B No. 16" does not convince you (see for yourself, they're linked). Billboard did publish an R&B chart in 1962, which the links confirm (it didn't between 11/30/63 and 1/23/65, see also List of Hot R&B Singles number ones of 1962). Cash Box charts generally do not differ greatly from Billboard, where it apparently only reached its R&B No. 22[6] (versus No. 16 in Billboard). If "Boom Boom" reached No. 1 anywhere, it should be easy to find the original chart (and link) that shows this, rather than one album's liner notes by a reissuer. So far, however, none has been identified or produced. Without it, there is nothing to change here or on John Lee Hooker discography. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

these informations not convince me, I trust more to an original Vee-Jay reissue (sources of which are Vee-Jay files and boxes tapes) than random internet sources(and I have other sources which state that), because you don't have the original Billboard 1962 source (internet and Wikipedia are full of wrong informations);another point:if "Boom Boom" was #16 in the r&b charts and #60 in the pop charts,it means #1-15 r&b were #1-59 in the pop charts?seems incredible to me... 151.73.200.237 (talk) 16:41, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

that Cash Box position is for June 1962, how you know if in May or July or August it reached an higher position? 151.73.200.237 (talk) 16:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

just out of curiosity, check that Rhino Records collection if you can, I'm sure you'll find it states the same of the Vee-Jay reissue... 151.73.200.237 (talk) 16:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I checked those links for Billboard sources, they demonstrate nothing, same the fact that Billboard did publish the chart in 1962 (I have other informations)... 151.73.205.63 (talk) 19:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

for me, you could put both chart positions for "Boom Boom", as you did for date of publication (you did the best way with both sources in my opinion) 151.73.205.63 (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

it is not only "one album's liner notes by a reissuer", I have other sources which state that, anyway there are so many example on Wikipedia in which the only source is an "album's liner notes by a reissuer" (just here release date is the best example, and Rhino Records - a great label - is not Vee-Jay, the original album publisher, which owns the best documentation (Vee-Jay files and tape boxes)... 151.73.205.63 (talk) 21:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove or change your or anyone else's comments from talk pages; use <del> ... </del> or <s> ... </s> instead (see WP:Talk page guidelines#Editing others' comments). The following four posts were improperly removed by the IP:

Again, there is nothing to add or change. Several reliable sources confirm that the single peaked at Billboard R&B No. 16 (Billboard itself, Whitburn, Leszczak,[7] Sullivan,[8] Warner,[9] Murray,[10] Dean,[11] Hoffman,[12]) Start a WP:Requests for comment if you want, but you'll probably need a lot more than you have presented so far to be convincing. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the four posts are mine! i removed because they were wrong...and I'll remove again. 151.73.205.63 (talk) 15:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whitburn do not confirm that, I haven't the book so I can't check, but Whitburn is one of the sources of the booklet of "Whiskey & Wimmen:John Lee Hooker's Finest"... 151.73.205.63 (talk) 15:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

did you check the Rhino collection? 151.73.205.63 (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Warner writes "Boom Boom" was Hooker only 45 to enter the pop charts...it is not true, there is "I'm In The Mood"... 151.73.205.63 (talk) 17:14, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]