Talk:Bramley-Moore Dock

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The Dock is still Commercially active

Changed this article as says the docks is closed. It is not. Only the coal aspect of the dock is closed. The original 1848 transit shed is still there on one quay and used, and two quays are for unloading aggregates. The dock is quite busy.90.213.129.126 (talk) 13:47, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This Guardian article shows a recent picture of a ship unloading at the quays. Google Earth and Bing maps shows mounds of aggregate on two of the quays. Mostly coastal ships enter the dock, but about two years ago I saw a largish bulk carrier unloading aggregates on the quay. I have been into the dock in the past 18 months a few times and it was quite busy indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/mar/23/everton-bramley-moore-stadium-goodison-park

This report from the Mirror shows an air shot with the quays full of aggregate:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/first-look-evertons-plans-new-10087205

The dock did close in 1988. For the closure date, see: [1] or [2], [3] and a book: McCarron, Ken; Jarvis, Adrian (1992). Give a Dock a Good Name?. Birkenhead: Merseyside Port Folios. p. 12. ISBN 9780951612941. OCLC 27770301. It's well cited and shouldn't be deleted, though can certainly be expanded upon with regard to the reopening. Regards, EP111 (talk) 15:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The docks never closed on 1988. Only the coal exports stopped. The dock always has been and is still commercially active, and is RIGHT NOW! Read the links I gave on this talk page. The dock is NOT derelict and used on THREE quays. Many have an agenda stating the dock is derelict to justify filling it in and building a stadium on a world heritage site. Here is the Daily Mirror picture clearly showing three quays active. I have seen about 10 vessels berthed in the dock quite a number of times. http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10031221.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Aerial-pictures-over-Southport-Liverpool-and-Chester.jpg

Here is ship offloading aggregates onto the quays. A vessel can be seen in the background. Lots of activity. Heavy plant vehicles clear the aggregate mounds and load it into trucks to take away for construction work, which is an ongoing activity: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/89/25/892554_c6290ca7.jpg 90.195.170.34 (talk) 12:16, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that the dock was derelict or closed right now. I said, and referenced, that it was closed in 1988. It may well have reopened since. However, a reference has not been provided to contradict my original statement that it did close in 1988. Any contradictory statement, without a reference, amounts to original research. I have provided three references to support my statement. No references have been provided which state that it did not close in 1988. I am intent on seeing the complete biographical history of the dock in this article, not just someone's else's idea of it. Regards, EP111 (talk) 13:50, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What you attempting to state is that the docks is not used, putting in passages stating that. I assume you have an agenda regarding the proposed Everton FC stadium. wiki has to be factual, not what you think it should be. The dock stopped handling coal in 1988 after the coal industry declined in the 1980s. It has always been active in some capacity, with activity increasing, and is very active right now. The links to the pictures prove that. In one sentence it stated that the dock was closed in 1988 and was still active which contradicted in one sentence making the sentence silly. Irrelevant speculation was in the article which I removed. The picture in the article of the dock gates even shows the Svitzer tugs sign, showing the dock is used. In the panel it was put back in that the dock was closed, which it is not. Please stop this childishness. 90.195.170.34 (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have no agenda with regard to Everton. In fact, I have had significant input across nearly all of Category:Liverpool docks (take a look at the edit histories of the pages), and User:Andy Dingley very kindly thanked me for it. Bramley-Moore is only one of fifty-plus docks. A reference has not been provided which states that the dock only stopped handling coal in 1988. As I said, I provided three which state that it did close in 1988. Wikipedia needs references for statements. See Wikipedia:Verifiability and, with regard to the 'childishness' and 'trolling' statements, please see Wikipedia:No personal attacks as well. WP:3RR should be given due consideration, too, as I refuse to go over it. Also, the reference, which was altered in this edit, says nothing about coal exports ceasing in 1988. I'll leave to allow the demolition of my work. Regards, EP111 (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, are you still saying the dock is disused? 90.195.170.34 (talk) 16:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at the hydraulic tower picture (double click) in the article. The picture says: `Created: 17 July 1988`. There is an aggregates truck in the picture. This proves the dock NEVER closed down completely in 1988. It has been dealing with aggregates since before 1988 when the aggregates closed at Canning Dock in 1971, they moved to Bramley-Moore. 90.195.170.34 (talk) 22:39, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Overhead railway view of dock

The switchback was the high level coal line serving the coal quay at Bramley Moore Dock. At this point the Overhead railway went to ground level to run under the railway bridge. Look at 29 min 50 secs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1zayd4eR1Y — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.213.129.126 (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]