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Puzzled by the attitude taken by editors at AfD, I went to look at article creator's page, which shows several weeks of attempts to delete this page and investigations of editors supporting page for sockpuppetry - which it all may well have been. To me, however, what this looks like is an attempt by a WP:NEWCOMER to create a bio page - whether the NEWBIE is Johns, someone who loves or admires Johns, or a Ride and Tie aficionado, I cannot say. What I can say in that rather tan starting a series of PRODs , and notices turning down article at articles for submission, and AfD and, finally, a sockpuppet investigation, someone might have simply explained to the newbie the basic approach to sourcing an article in plain English. Our templates only seem clear to us, to most people they are as arcane and impenetrable as a game of cricket is to an American. Or someone might have sourced some part of the article to show the NEWBIE page creator how sourcing is done. What I am appalled by is this sort of aggression-by-template on an obvious NEWBIE. This is not the way to welocme NEWWBIES to the project.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
