Talk:Catalonia regional football team

Catalonia is a regional team

Satesclop, please can you take your anti-Basque and anti-Catalan agenda elsewhere. A regional football team does not have to represent an independent state. There are several cases in Europe alone where autonomous regions have national teams. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Faroe Islands are all recognised by UEFA and FIFA and use the term national team in their articles. Politcal status has nothing to do with it. Even so both the Basque Country and Catalonia have more autonomy then the above. Djln--Djln 16:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

this is not the place to discuss whether Catalonia is a region (as some say) or a part of Spain, however some of the Catalonia regional football team players are:

Sangibarbá and Di Stefano: Argentinians Kubala: Hungarian Neskens and Cruyyf: Dutch Evaristo: Brazilian Sapirissa: Salvadoran

And amongst the "Spaniards" we can find:

Cesar: born in Leon Luis Suarez: born in La Coruna Pereda: born in Burgos Alcántara: born in the Philipines Velasco: born in Murcia Two of the best Catalonian players of all time played alternatively for and against Catalonia (Samitier and Zamora)

If we consider this a national team then we can obviously consider "Zidane and friends" as Marseile National Team. And please don´t waste your time calling me "anti-catalan", please take your victimist agenda somewhereelse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.103.32.48 (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I absolutely agree,--90.162.108.69 (talk) 04:18, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

From the wikipedia page on catalonia. "The Preamble of the 2006 Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia states that the Parliament of Catalonia has defined Catalonia as a nation". The zidane and friends arguement is just wrong. Catalonia has it's own football assiociation as well and has autonomy (unlike Marseile). Also because they are not recognized by fifa/uefa elgibilty rules don't apply so they are allowed to have guest players like Cruyff and Di Stefano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.121.101 (talk) 01:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

From The Spanish Constitution that is the fundamental law of the Kingdom of Spain. "The 1978 Constitution recognizes and guarantees the right to autonomy of the nationalities and regions in Article 2, linking the beginning with the UNITY of the Spanish nation and solidarity between THE REGIONS that compose it.

rock beats scissors = Spanish laws beats regional laws.

Not a natinoal team. It's a regional team not recognised by UEFA / FIFA as national team despite some of catalan people claim for independence. It's not comparable to Wales, England or Northern Ireland, they are different cases, because they are constituent nations of a state (even more, FIFA stipulated particular laws only for these UK nations). Catalonia is an autonomus region of a state. The problem when translating the word "nation" from spanish to english, is that you use it as "state" meaning, which is not correct. Catalonia is not a state. When we say its a "nation" we refer it to "historial nation" which is recognised by the Spanish Constitution, but it doesn´t work as a state.

When 90.162.108.69 talks about "Zidane friends" (bad example) he points the fact that is has to be comparised in that case with teams like Athens team (which plays representing Greece before the national greek team was formed, or the London XI which represented UK in the very first Olympic Games). The aren't states as we recognised today.

Same apllies to Euskadi. Hope the conflict is understood now.

--Brgesto (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Match stats

I know I saw a match between Catalonia and Andorra in 2003 or 04. Why isn't it included in this list? Moravice 09:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• This is only a selected list of games against well known national teams and/or frequent opponents. For a more complete list see this source. [1]. There is no mention of them playing Andorra in 2003 or 2004 on this list or at the other sources linked to main article. Djln --Djln 21:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleted parragraph

I've deleted the "there are many Spanish teams in Catalonia", since that has nothing to do with the Catalonian team. --85.48.105.52 05:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Kit

I'm not entirely sure how to edit the kit diagram, but here's a photo of the home strip:

http://www.futcat.org/images_noticias/0000000249/38.jpg

--GoHawks4 18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't get the image to come up, but I know what the uniform looks like. The one shown on the page is blue and needs to be changed to black.

-- GhostXIII —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.118.85.53 (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Flags

Codorado (talk · contribs) is putting some flags that (s)he doesen't accepts in other articles. I think it is crucial to write in this article (since it deals with Catalan national football team) to specify which people are Catalan but, if in FC Barcelona the information about the autonomous community is not accepted, I don't see why should we detail here if Iniesta comes from Castille la Mancha or to put the coat of arms (¿?¿?¿?) of Plovdiv.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 01:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Codorado answered me the following:

In a regional football team, is important to know who of those guys are of that region, and the official nacionaties of the players, in that case for the neutral point of view, you must use the regions of the other to aditional information, to know the regional places of the others. In the other case, is an international football team of the spanish league, only the official nacionalities are important, the unofficial nacionalities or the politics-points are not important, if somebody wabt to know the born-place of the players, they have their owns articles.--Codorado (talk) 01:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 01:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

In a national football team it is interesting to know which people comes from that region. All other information is as important or superfluous in one article as in the other.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 01:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, the flags were wrong, the autonomous flag of catalonia was on people like Albert Celades, Joan Josep Nogués, Ricardo Saprissa, Sagibarba... And they are not catalonian in anyway.--Codorado (talk) 01:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Then remove that flags. Not add more flags. Or, if you add more flags I'll have the right to do the same in FC Barcelona.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 01:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Is that a threat? Sorry, the neutral point of wiew is more important, and like i sais, is not the same this (autonomous football team) than the FC Barcelona (a spanish football club). Anyway, this is the perfect NPOW of this article for me, show me your perfect NPOW version, maybe we are not so far.--Codorado (talk) 01:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, finding a NPOV is a threat of both users with different POV to include both POV. Now there is no coherence between both articles. As I already told you, for coherence we have to either delete here "superfluous information" or add in FC Barcelona "interesting information", deppending as how you see this information.

I don't see consistent your argument about autonomous football team and spanish football team. FC Barcelona is a Catalan team (it plays Catalan Cup), it is Spanish team (plays Spanish liga), it is an European team (plays Champions leage). Considering it just as Spanish team is quite biased. Anyway, if we deal with Catalan national team, I just see reasonable to specify which are Catalan and which not. I do not even see interesting to specify if they are Spanish, Bulgarian or German. Paraphrasing your words, if somebody wants to know the nationality of the players, they have their own articles. So, my POV would be just put Catalan flags. Your is putting Spanish one. So, let's put Spanish and Catalan and forget coats of arms...--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 02:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

OK. Done --Codorado (talk) 22:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

This is not "national"

Catalonia is a region of Spain, the only nation is Spain.--88.7.243.55 (talk) 15:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

That's debatable, seeing as the autonomous communities define themselves as nations. It's best to think of Spain as akin to the UK, made up of several nations. --MateoJorge

The only nation in Spain is Spain, the other are regions.--88.7.246.177 (talk) 14:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You don't know at all your own Constitution, my dearly Spanish friend. I invite you to read it someday, you'll be able to see there some truths, even if you don't want to know them. --Asfarer (talk) 17:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha.. "my dearly friend" I invite you to read it someday... in your language:
From The Spanish Constitution that is the fundamental law of the Kingdom of Spain. "The 1978 Constitution recognizes and guarantees the right to autonomy of the nationalities and regions in Article 2, linking the beginning with the UNITY of the Spanish nation and solidarity between THE REGIONS that compose it. I repeat: THE REGIONS that compose it rock beats scissors = Spanish laws beats regional laws, of course. An example, my little town can be named as "the largest stellar conjunction nation universal universe of the universe". But my little town is a town of Spain with spanish laws. Do you understand? Sorry for the stellar example hahaha.

Not a natinoal team. It's a regional team not recognised by UEFA / FIFA as national team despite some of catalan people claim for independence. It's not comparable to Wales, England or Northern Ireland, they are different cases, because they are constituent nations of a state (even more, FIFA stipulated particular laws only for these UK nations). Catalonia is an autonomus region of a state. The problem when translating the word "nation" from spanish to english, is that you use it as "state" meaning, which is not correct. Catalonia is not a state. When we say its a "nation" we refer it to "historial nation" which is recognised by the Spanish Constitution, but it doesn´t work as a state.

When 90.162.108.69 talks about "Zidane friends" (bad example) he points the fact that is has to be comparised in that case with teams like Athens team (which plays representing Greece before the national greek team was formed, or the London XI which represented UK in the very first Olympic Games). The aren't states as we recognised today.

Same apllies to Euskadi. Hope the conflict is understood now. --Brgesto (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

All British/UK nations are an example, not just Scotland and Wales

The following statement in the first paragraph is bizarre:

"Catalonia has tried to join UEFA, citing Scotland and Wales as similar national sides with UEFA membership, but has always been rejected. "

Surely all four nations of the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) are examples of sub-sovereign state nations competing in football. The author of this sentence is perhaps under the mistaken impression that England and the UK are somehow the same thing, and that Scotland and Wales are part of England in the same way Catalonia is part of Spain?!?! In fact England and all the other UK nations are directly equivalent to the Catalonia national football team, with the exception that that they are officially reconignised (rightly or wrongly) by FIFA and UEFA.

I have therefore changed the sentence to the following:

"Catalonia has tried to join UEFA, citing the constituent nations of the UK (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) as similar national sides with UEFA membership, but has always been rejected."

Where possible could someone correct the alternative language versions of this page if they carry the same mistake/oversight. Brunanburh (talk) 01:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

The only Nation is Spain, Catalonia is only a spanish region.--88.7.246.177 (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Catalonia is not a nation, so you can´t have a national team. It´s so easy. There is no legal text in which Catalonia appears as a nation, so this is a regional team. As you should know, Catalonia has never been known as Catalonia national team, but as Catalonia regional team. And please, don´t compare Catalonia or Basque country, which NEVER have been independent, whith other nations with a real national tradition as Scotland. Wikipedia should reflect the reality, and it is not that Catalonia is a national team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.159.215 (talk) 13:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Any reasonable definition of "nation" perfectly defines Catalonia. You can of course ignore facts and just abide by the Spanish law (as if it were impartial in this matter). Let's go down this path for a second. The Spanish constitution (is that enough of a legal text for you?) calls Catalonia a "nationality", whatever this means. Hence, the Catalan team can be safely defined as a national team. Spanish nationalists feel this compulsion to deny the Catalan nation in every related article in wikipedia. 85.50.127.75 (talk) 08:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

From The Spanish Constitution that is the fundamental law of the Kingdom of Spain. "The 1978 Constitution recognizes and guarantees the right to autonomy of the nationalities and regions in Article 2, linking the beginning with the UNITY of the Spanish nation and solidarity between THE REGIONS that compose it.

I repeat: THE REGIONS that compose it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.162.108.69 (talk) 04:33, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Next match?

Hi, I was just checking the article and then the internet and I can't find a list of next matches (or next match) Catalonia is going to play? Does anyone know the next opponent(s) and/or a website which could tell me this? JaumeBG 07:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Template

The template at the bottom needs tidying up. Nobody, but nobody, believes that the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, etc... are nations. This is not to say Brittany, Catalonia, Basque Country etc. are not nations, but not these tiny little islands.

Language

Does the team exclusively use Catalan in the locker room and on the pitch? Funnyhat (talk) 06:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Roster Questions

Just curious, why is Pique not listed on the roster. He is from Barcelona and played for Catalonia against argentina in december of 09. (http://www.goal.com/en/match/43549/catalunya-vs-argentina/lineup-stats). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.121.101 (talk) 01:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

"Catalonia football team" is not an appropriate name

In the English language there is a need to use the word "nation" in that title. For example, if we were talking about the national football side representing the constituent country of England, we would say England national football team, and not "England football team", as it's far too generic. Also, there is a nation called Catalonia within Spain as the top court in the nation ruled a year ago, (Reference) so there is no need to argue about that. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  23:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Catalonia is NOT a nation. Please see a map. Catalonia is a region of Spain and NEVER could be a "national" football team. Regards --90.162.108.69 (talk) 04:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

You can't write "national" with accuracy

People here defends that Catalonia's case is similar to Wales, Scotland and England's cases, but it is not true. Without politics, those football are recognized by FIFA, they are officials and they play official matches. So, they called them Scottish/English/Welsh/North Ireland national football team. Catalonia football team is not a official team and it can't be called national simply because is not official.

With politics, North Ireland, Wales, Scotland (and England) are openly recognized like home nations, but in Spain autonomous communities are not recognized like that thoug nation was written at Estatuto of Catalonia, they really want to say nationality. They are similar, but not the same. Morancio (talk) 17:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

If we consider this a "national" team then we can obviously consider "Zidane and friends" as Marseile National Team, hahahah Please see a map of Europe. Catalonia is a region of Spain like Madrid or Murcia. Please, some should not watch much Jericho (TV series) hahahah --90.162.108.69 (talk) 04:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but Catalonia is a nation, and here's a reference-- Marco Guzman, Jr  Talk  23:41, 31 July 2012 (UTC)