Talk:Chaurasia

yes i also consider that chourasia are te Brahmin community .Now this community is in different profession which diverted them from brahmins to vaisya(traders), but actually they are brahmins only. They are like Sharma in north region. Shri Santosh L. Chaurasiya Atish chaurasia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.83.149.115 (talk) 11:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC) Nationalist congress party General Secretary_Maharashtra Pradesh(India) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.72.133.171 (talk) 04:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

I agree that almost all of the previous references were bad. However, if we could get actual copies/details, I wonder if three might be worth saving: The Rai of eastern Nepal, ethnic and linguistic grouping:findings of the Linguistic Survey of Nepal appears to be created by a university; Ethnologue is, I believe, reliable for linguistic information, and this link verified that Chaurasia is an alternative name for Wambule; and this appears at least slightly possibly useful. I don't know what, exactly, we would do with that, though.... Qwyrxian (talk) 10:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at the items that you mention, if I have access. Please ping me in a couple of days if nothing happens. - Sitush (talk) 23:54, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can see only the Ethnologue link. This gives a long list of synonyms for Wambule, viz. Ambule, Chaurasia, Chaurasya, Chourase, Chourasia, Ombule, Tsaurasya, Umbule. It seems to me that we probably need to create a bunch of redirects to Wambule and that this article should also be redirected there. - Sitush (talk) 09:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chaurasia is not updated with the right information.[edit]

I dont know why you have diverted the Chaurasia's to "Barai". What all information i have posted and which was there few months before is true and what you are mentioning is not at all the complete information about "Chaurasia" community.

You search different FB pages and discuss in detail with the Chaurasia throught out the country as this is a big community with various brahmin gotras and then write.

It would be good if you update the right information which i have posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishid (talk • contribs)

Hi Ashishid. THe problem is that Wikipedia articles must be based on Reliable Sources. That usually means things like scholarly journal articles, books by scholarly researchers, newspaper articles, or similar things. Facebook posts, blogs, self-published books, and things like that aren't reliable for our purposes, and thus we can't use them. If you can find reliable sources that discuss the Chaurasia, we can consider changing this back from being a redirect, but, up until now, no one has ever been able to reliably show that this is a separate group. So if you can find those sources, please post them here and we can examine the issue. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Qwyrxian, Thanks for the courtesy. I have given you the example, that there are so many people on FB, blogs, who know about themselves and about this community and definately all of them are not making stories. I will try to come up with the reliable source for you and would research more and get you the overall summary of Chaurasia. I hope you would help me in updating the right info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishid (talk • contribs) 19:41, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure; if you find the RS, I'd be happy to help format and get the info into the article. Just post here what you find and I or others can advise. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:44, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Qwyrxian,

In the wiki under "Brahmin", it is clearly mentioned that the Chaurasia comes under the Gotras of Brahmins. So please mention this thing under chaurasia in Wikipedia. You have mentioned Chaurasia under Barai, which is completely wrong. Barai is one of the Gotras of Chaurasia and Barai/Tamboli is the one who cultivates the beetle leaves. Please write separate information in Chaurasia and do not redirect it to barai its like you are mentioning Flowers under rose which is one of the flower.

Chaurasia community belongs to the following Brahmin Gotras

Kashyapa
Bharadwaj
Shandilya
Rishi
Brahmachari
Gaurhar
Chaurasia
Barai
Tamoli
Bhagat
Sharma
Chaurishi
Chaudhari

Sub castes

Following are the synonyms of Chaurasia surname by regional preferences:

Chaurasia (Belarampur, patti, pratapgarh) (U.P.)
Chaurasia (Throughout India)
Chourasia (Parts of North East India)
Chaurishi (Parts of North India)
Sharma (Throughout India)
Jaiswal (North India)
Bhardwaj (Throughout India)
Kashyap (North India)
Nag (North/East India)
Bhagat (North/east India)
Barai (West Bihar/East UP)
Tamoli (West Bihar/East UP)
Rishi (Central India)
Brahmachari(North India)
Gaurhar (North India)
Modi (North India)
Raut (Bihar Madhubani)
chaudhary (Hajipur Bihar)
Munshi (Dhanbad Jharkhand)
Bari(Gaya bihar)

So you could see Barai is one of the Sub caste.

You please refer the below links http://www.chaurasiasagarsangam.com/history.php: In this they are also mentioning about some book which they have referred, by "Raghubar Dayal Sharma" - "Chaurasia Brahmins Vanshavali". I tried to get this book but unable to arrange it yet. This book also which has been published so long back also saying the same belief.

To write the right information you can follow the above mentioned link or some of the below mentioned ones. As whatever you are writing is not the complete information. http://chaurasiasamaj.blogspot.in/

Please write only that information which is right. Sometimes you need to understand and consider the believes of people who belongs to that caste and they know about themselves more than a book knows them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishid (talk • contribs) 06:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of those are reliable sources. And, unfortunately, your suggestion that we go based on what people themselves say is not allowed per Wikipedia policy--we cannot do original resource, and instead must include only verifiable information. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:39, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Under Brahmins in wikipedia it is clearly mentioned that Chaurasia is one of the Gotra of Brahmins... Do you also think that is also not taken from reliable source? Atleast write that. Why you are considering the Chaurasia as Barai only i still dont understand which references you are following. This is one of the sub caste my dear friend.

Please share the links/references you used to write "Chaurasia are brahmins" under the Brahmins wikipedia page.

And also share the reference for what all information you are writing for Chaurasia under barai.

If i provide you a published book will that be fine for you as a reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishid (talk • contribs)

If you look at Barai, you'll see that there is a reliable source that says that they are the same group under a different name. If you look at Brahmin, you'll see that claim there is unsourced. I'd much rather redirect to the one we have a source for. As for books, it depends on who the publisher and author are and what it says; but please provide the information than we can evaluate it. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Favour of deletion[edit]

This page should be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... (Chaurasia is other name od Barai and article is already present on wikipedia. The entire article is unreferenced and contains false information like "Chaurasia is a Brahmin community.") --Yoonadue (talk) 10:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It redirects to the Barai article. There was a temporary problem that has now been resolved. - Sitush (talk) 12:23, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]