Talk:Climate of Pluto

A fact from Climate of Pluto appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 May 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that up to 75 percent of the surface of Pluto is both tropical and arctic?

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 14 January 2020 and 15 May 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): A. Emraan.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Pluto has tropical, arctic, tropical arctic, diurnal, and polar climate zones?

Comment: article created as part of a Wiki Ed course

Created by A. Emraan (talk). Nominated by Fishal (talk) at 17:12, 11 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

The article is new enough and long enough. All the images are appropriately licensed. The nominator has only one QPQ credit to date, so a QPQ is not obligatory. The hook has an inline citation to a peer-reviewed journal article (also available here). There are, however, concerns about close paraphrasing. For example, compare how the article says The polar zone of the Pluto is the areas where the Sun never reaches the zenith or overhead point at any time of the orbital period and Table 1 in the linked source, which defines the polar zone as the area where the Sun never reaches the overhead point at any time during orbital year. In fact, much of the article appears to be an expansion of Table 1 into prose. I know that sometimes it seems like there just aren't many different ways to report flat scientific facts, but this needs at least another going-over before it is ready for the spotlight. If improved, however, it would be suitable for DYK, perhaps with a catchier hook like, ... that technically, most of Pluto is tropical? XOR'easter (talk) 22:53, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Marking this as officially maybe. XOR'easter (talk) 20:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Fishal and XOR'easter: It's been almost a month since the last comments here, have any of the concerns been addressed? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Marking for closure per nominator Fishal, who when queried on their talk page on May 15, replied on mine on May 16: I will look at it today or tomorrow. If I don't get to it by Monday, I probably never will, and I wouldn't object to closing it then. It now being a few minutes before the end of Tuesday, I'm posting the icon for closure now. (The article was written as part of a course, and that editor hasn't been on Wikipedia since then, over a month ago.) BlueMoonset (talk) 23:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BlueMoonset, I can take over for the student, I'll get to this later today. Elysia (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BlueMoonset I have gone over the article and made some adjustments. Here are some alt hooks:

ALT1: ... that up to three-quarters of Pluto's surface is both tropical and arctic? "Over the 2.8 Myr obliquity cy- cle, Pluto’s surface area makes a complete oscillation through the range of being 75% tropical arctic (latitudes 13–77°) to being 20% (latitudes 53–37"
ALT2: ... that Pluto and its moon have the same climate structure? "Charon’s synchronous alignment with Pluto dictates that both bodies in the binary pair have the same climate zone structure

Let me know what you think. Elysia (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Elysia (Wiki Ed), thanks for the article edits and new hook proposals (which I have labeled). XOR'easter, as you're the reviewer here, have the edits addressed the issues you found, and are the two new ALT hooks more to your taste? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It looks good to me. Both hooks seem fine; I like ALT1 more. XOR'easter (talk) 14:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

XOR'easter, if all issues have been settled, then please finish your review with the appropriate tick icon. If any remain, let us know. Many thanks. If you don't approve of any of the hooks, please strike them. (I agree that ALT1 is more interesting.) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adequately edited now. Both ALT1 and ALT2 look acceptable, while ALT1 is catchier. XOR'easter (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Percent of surface area

The tropics are said to be permanently 80% of surface area and sometimes more, while the permanent arctic regions are 40% of surface area. Clearly there has to be some permanent overlap, as the DYK hook in fact suggests. The individual definitions in the article do allow for this. However, the article text does not make it explicit. The additional "tropical arctic" zone, while canon, may actually confuse the issue further, since it seems to be a derivative zone (subzone?) rather than a fully separated zone. (In this sense, polar might be considered a subzone of the arctic region -- although with the orbital angle, there might possibly be polar regions which are not also arctic regions?) Should it be explained explicitly that the core three zones are not in any way intended to be completely exclusive of one another? I hesitate to do it myself, in case I have misunderstood. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 01:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You should be bold and make adjustments to the article yourself! Wikipedia is built on volunteer initiative. You can be the volunteer to improve this article. Elysia (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Something tells me you did not read my whole comment. I specifically said I hesitated to do it myself, in case I have misunderstood. You have not helped in my not being sure about misunderstanding; and I am not the kind of person to spread misinformation just because I want to edit. (But hey, an A for personal affirmation!) - Tenebris 66.11.165.101 (talk) 00:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]