Talk:Coat of arms of the London Borough of Haringey

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Use of self published sources on this page[edit]

I'm concerned that most of the sources used in this article are either self-published or only tangentially relevant to the subject. It appears that a recent attempt ha been made to 'bulk-up' the article in response to the AFD debate, however I feel that as a result the article has accumulated trivia (rather than depth). --Salimfadhley (talk) 11:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

  • HeraldryWorld: A wiki site, hence self published source
  • CivicHeraldry.co.uk: A personal home page, hence self published source
  • LBH Website: Definitely a reliable source, however not significant coverage of the subject.
  • Burns, R.W: A reliable source as to the history of TV, probably not as to the history of heraldry.
  • Sheila Peacock: A home-page belonging to a former politician, borderline self published source but from an obviously notable individual however does not significantly cover this subject.
  • Lindsey Clarke: A "Community Blog", arguably a self published source that does not significantly cover this subject.
  • Haringey Borough FC: Probably a reliable source as to the origin of the football club's coat of arms, but not a WP:RS for the historical details of LBH's original.
  • Jonathan Dixon: An obviously self published personal home page.

The above list was originally part of this topic's AFD discussion. --Salimfadhley (talk) 11:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

I commented on this there, and unfortunately I feel the need to give the same comment again: Self published souces may be strong enough when there are many which say the same thing. They are not as good as books published by well renouned scholars, but you have to judge each one of them by itself. A site is not a self published source just because it uses wiki software, which makes your argument against Heraldry of the World moot. Flags of the World is often seen as a reliable source because it takes a scholary approach to vexillology; you have wrongfully attributed this as a self published personal home page of Jonathan Dixon, who is only one of its many contributors. Arms Jones (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)