Talk:Color analysis/Archive 1

Archive 1

Editing

The tone of the article has been changed into 3rd POV. Sdumont132 (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Starting the wikifiy process, adding links, checking references Sdumont132 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:54, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Reliable References

Reliable references should be sources other than those who stand to financially gain from acceptance of "color analysis". Piano non troppo (talk) 00:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Reference for paragraph Three, Sentence Two [I am not the author and am not financially related in any way - simply an admirer of this book]:

Color Wonderful The revolutionary Color 1 Associates wardrobe and makeup program by JoAnne Nicholson and Judy Lewis-Crum with Jacqueline Thompson. Published 1986 by Bantam Books in Toronto, New York . Written in English. Edition Notes: Includes index. Classifications Dewey Decimal Class 646.7/2 Library of Congress RA778 .N724 1986 The Physical Object Pagination 211 p. : Number of pages 211 ID Numbers Open Library OL2552483M ISBN 10 055334238X LC Control Number 85047794 Internet Archive colorwonderfulre00nich 98.111.189.64 (talk) 13:22, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Images

This is a page about colour. I expect at least a few pictures/diagrams to indicate the basic colour types. There are only 4 images at the bottom of the page and they are pretty crudely chosen, and irrelevant (almost all of us know what the four seasons look like). Someone please remove this and find relevant pictures. Thank you. 66.49.142.85 (talk) 04:15, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Color Illustrations I have tried to insert examples of the four seasons of color, but had no success. Perhaps it is a Wikipedia policy. At any rate, if you click this link, you will find color representations of the four seasons of color: <link redacted> Sandy Dumont, The Image Architect Imagearchitect (talk) 12:12, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Please stop citing your own books and/or your website, it appears to be self promotion. Thanks. - MrOllie (talk) 15:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Can images from the assorted authors' books be used (Carole Jackson, for example...)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.88.70 (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Color seasons

Color analysis#Color Seasons, Summer hasn't a blue undertone. As I see it, printers use CMYK (white paper background, printer's cyan, printer's magenta, printer's yellow and key black) to be able print the whole color solid. The same can be done with the division of the color solid by Johannes Itten: Spring, fresh bluish green-green undertone; Winter, dry violet-blue undertone; Autumn, fresh reddish orange undertone and Summer, dry dusty grey undertone. image:SferaSuperfice.png - image:Colour wheel.JPG --Chris.urs-o (talk) 11:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

What a tangent!

The whole article is dedicated to about 5% of the meanings / uses of the term "Color analysis". This article should get retitled to that specific 5% area, and then "color analysis" should become a disambig page. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps alink to related subject?

eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_psychology — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.241.3 (talk) 21:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Good stuff. North8000 (talk) 22:05, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Solution to above issue?

Move this material to "Color analysis (cosmetics)" And then turn "Color analysis" into a disambig page. North8000 (talk) 22:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I don’t quite get it. “Color analysis” is not a term I’ve ever seen used in contexts like computer vision / machine vision. Do you have an example of such usage? –jacobolus (t) 00:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

It's used a lot. That's how I ended up at this article, looking for a color analysis article to link to when working on the machine vision article. Some of the main categories for use are:

• Separation Separate the object from its background by a two step process, color analysis followed by thresholding
• Segmentation separating what's in the image into separate discrete objects
• Automatic inspection for color quality of products
• Color analysis to determine other attributes, e.g. grading agricultural products
• Color analysis for automatic inspection of assembled products, where errors consist of putting components in that have wrong colors
• Automatic inspection of graphical or printed products

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:21, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you have examples of this usage from peer-reviewed journals? –jacobolus (t) 04:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

It's covered in many of the sources used as references in the Machine Vision article. North8000 (talk) 11:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Seems ok for me, looks like quality control. If I'm right, the theory of colour comes from Isaac Newton, James Clerk Maxwell and Johannes Itten. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 05:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

BTW, those are just some of the many many fields that use and include technical color analysis. Even used at those paint stores that match existing samples. Ditto for auto body shops where the color can't be matched by other means. (Technical) color analysis probably needs to have its own article, unless the term is SO broad that it doesn't have a specific-enough meaning. But the immediate & certain problem was that the very broad term "color analysis" went to an article that is just about cosmetics. North8000 (talk) 11:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I’ve never in my life seen the term “color analysis” used by an auto body shop or paint store. –jacobolus (t) 04:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

People obviously “analyze” color, but that doesn’t mean that the term “color analysis” has a specific technical meaning in any of these fields. There’s no point in adding a Wikipedia explanation for every pair of words that might appear together. Someone can easily enough look up “color” and “analyze” in the dictionary. Newton, Maxwell, and Itten certainly never used the term “color analysis”. –jacobolus (t) 04:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Color analysis in styling is a very small issue of the WikiProject Color. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 05:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I’m not quite sure what your point is. I’m not convinced that “color analysis” in fashion, as presented in this Wikipedia article, is a notable term, can be backed up with reliable sources, or deserves a Wikipedia article at all. That doesn’t have anything to do with whether “color analysis” is a notable term in what you’re calling “color theory” (I’ve never heard it used. I think Wiktionary definitions for “color” and “analysis” and Wikipedia articles about “color” and “color science” and so on are perfectly sufficient.) –jacobolus (t) 06:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The article is from June 2008, I think it's ok. Ok, the title could be better. Color analysis and combinations in styling and art are old, beginning with Johannes Itten. It's a consequence of his work. The point there, is that caucasian females use winter colors (blue undertone), caucasian males use summer colors (light gray undertone), black females use spring colors (yellow green undertone) and red-haired use autumn colors (orange red undertone), more or less so. The whole point is to attract eye-contact, to avoid that the own face gets invisible with the own clothing, painting, decoration etc. The color analysis with instruments as from Minolta, is based on the color theory, beginning with the Munsell color system, later on standardized by the International Commission on Illumination (CIE, french for Commission internationale de l'éclairage). --Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I think that I complicated this too much. I really have only one main point. Color analysis is an extensively used technical process and technical term. (In addition to my points supporting this raised above, Google "color analyzer", I scanned through the top 200 hits and all related to the technical uses/aspects which I am describing) In Wikipedia, "color analysis" can't go just to / just be about the cosmetic industry use of the term. With the renaming of this article, this issue is SOLVED.

Happy to talk about the other points, but to keep it simple, the above is my main point. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Importance of Color analysis

Color analysis is extensively used in fashion to determine the colors that best suit an individual based on his/hers natural colorings. This makes this subject very important! I agree that the four seasons fashion palettes should be inserted in this article. I have not been able to find them on Wikimedia Commons. Could someone help? --Bouleau (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Guess what! They're proprietary because PCA people are making a living from them. Not like I can blame them. Laitr Keiows (talk) 02:48, 4 February 2015 (UTC)