Talk:Concentration camp

Was there ever a vote to turn this into a redirect?

Back in 2006, there was a brief discussion here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Concentration_camp/Archive_1#Proposed_New_Page where I suggested turning this page into a discussion about the TERM "concentration camp." And as far as I can tell, that was it. Please let me know if there was a vote making this a redirect page. Thanks. Mackerm (talk) 06:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mackerm because redirect talk pages aren't typically watched, please either repost the question at Talk:Internment or start a formatted discussion here, such as a WP:RFC or WP:RM, which could get people to pay attention. --Joy (talk) 07:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Internment which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 14:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Reversion to redirect page

Explaining my reasoning. Based on this comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ComparePages?page1=Internment&rev1=1240625837&page2=Concentration+camp&rev2=1234595226&action=&unhide= this page as created is a duplicate of Internment; the intermediate edits on Concentration camp since July don't necessitate the page remaining about concentration camps and fall under the topic of Internment equally well. Given that, I'm in the processes of moving them to Internment with credit. As to the reason for this page to remain a redirect, about a month before this page was recreated as a non-redirect there was a move request on Talk:Internment to move Internment to Concentration Camp which was closed unsuccessfully. This page being a non-redirect therefore in a way circumvents that result, which should be deferred to given its recentness. Lengua (talk) 05:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

If you think it is a duplicate, you haven't read the page history correctly. The page contents only selectively contains material on concentration camps specifically, expanded with contents from the corresponding dedicated Britannica page, and further expanded by other editors. There is no grounds to collectively mass revert the work of multiple editors to delete a clearly notable subject. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I have read the page history correctly, and the link shows that most of the content was copied from Internment. It has been longstanding precedent that concentration camps fall under the purview of the Internment article and there have been many discussions on that talk page which have confirmed it. Indeed, you were part of those discussions on that page when you proposed to move it to Concentration Camp. If you feel the need to make concentration camps be a separate page with different reasoning, then the correct course of action is to propose a split on Internment and that can be discussed there. However, given that as a redirect page it is not usually watched, there was no discussion about recreating this page. Moreover, there are grounds for concentration camp and Internment to be the same page as Internment contextualizes the different uses of concentration camp which this page does not do, doing a disservice to the various uses of the term. The fact that this page has been expanded and that would require moving the new edits to Internment is not a reason for this page to remain as it is. Lengua (talk) 19:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

They are different pages because they are different topics. In the RM, aside from there being a consensus to not move, the widespread opinion that the topics should be split way also voiced, so that is what has been enacted – entirely consistent with the RM. The internment page has not been moved; concentration camp (a different scope) has been created separately. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)