Talk:Constructions of Subjectivity in Franz Schubert's Music

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Safe version[edit]

the safe version was printed...

What safe version? What does "safe" mean here?

and where she now stands

Namely where does she stand now? I think it is important to state what she now thinks of her work in light of the new evidence. AxelBoldt 15:27, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Check the page history, I believe there is an overly-detailed explination of the history of the article somewhere. Hyacinth 20:42, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

VFD results[edit]

This article has survived a VFD nomination with the result of No consensus. --Allen3 talk 14:05, August 4, 2005 (UTC)


Before fixing it, I want to register a strong objection to the new title.

"Constructions of Subjectivity in Franz Schubert's Music" is the title of the 1991 article published by Susan McClary, and is the only reasonable title for this article. The first sentence can make clear that it was the title of an article and presentation by her, which is anthologized in Queering the Pitch. Wiki-style is not to include the author's name in the possessive form before the title of that author's work (i.e. Moby Dick, not Herman Melville's Moby Dick.) Antandrus (talk) 02:27, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

This essay does not deserve multi-paragraph treatment[edit]

How can mention of this pseudo-academic diarrhea be considered worthy to be included in an encyclopedia?

It should be altogether deleted.

am...the article actually has some substance to it. I do not think it deserves such a detailed summary, if any entry at all, especially not one by someone who evidently knows even less about the field than I do (there is evidence to show that Schubert was gay, and it is not at all unreasonably to posit that his immersion in a homosexual subculture allowed him some freedom from the musical norms of the time). One should, in any event, also references the papers of Steblin and Soloman (on which McClary herself published a survey "Music and Sexuality: On the Steblin/Solomon Debate") and remove the statement that there is an absence of evidence that Schubert was gay, I think. Amm...yeah...this article isn't in any way significant enough to warrant an entry. I said that already? Ok then. Out with me. 00:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

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It was too long, I intended it to read

per wikipedia:naming conventions (books); alternatively the name could be "Constructions of Subjectivity in Franz Schubert's Music (essay)" - but that proposal indicates a notability concern, per the same guideline

The "notability concern" refers to:

[...] if a Wikipedia page can only survive if a "(book)" qualifier, not needed for disambiguation, is added to the page name, this might indicate there is a problem with the notability, in Wikipedia context, of that book.

which is a quote from Wikipedia:Naming conventions (books)#Note on notability criteria.

Why I started to think about this page today? ...wikipedia:criticism; sort of came here to check whether the new guideline proposal and this "criticism (???)" page were in line with each other... I see no real problem (certainly no incompatibility with the new guideline proposal), although the notability of this article might be considered borderline. But the essay was published... so technically not a problem. Some references to discussions/criticisms/reviews of McClary's article (if available) might be welcome though. --Francis Schonken 13:36, 2 April 2006 (UTC)