Talk:Cornell gorge suicides

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Naming the Student who Attempted Suicide

While this information is apparently well sourced (inaccessible print publication, so I'm assuming it's accurate), its appearance in this entry seems...out of place. Is there precedence for including this mini WP:BLP? Does it help the entry? It seems to me that WP:AVOIDVICTIM could come into play. Bienmanchot (talk) 22:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cornell's suicide programs are controversial.

Cornell has a history of taking frantic measures to prevent suicide, including kicking students off campus for merely coming off as suicidal in some cases. The following article was posted a few years before the suicides: https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/01/01/cornell-cuts-suicide-rate-in-half/. So two years later, were the results of the study disproven? In one year, the conclusion of the study, "Cornell cuts suicide rates in half" was disproven. Not to be crass, but what is wrong with the people behind Cornell's programs that they have such blatant disregard for study methodology that the widely-published results of one year could be disproven by one suicide cluster?

I'm saying this because I think Cornell uses their own suicide mythology as a shill for other issues. Also, they ignore the fact that their "Caring Community Program" and "Notice and Respond System" can be used for bullying and harassment. Anyone under "notice and respond" can butt into anyone's life and be congratulated for it, and there can be hidden agendas that can easily range from sexual harassment to everyday junior-high stuff, or whatever else the "responder" has on their mind. But whoever "butts in" will be congratulated by the administration. Remember these programs started shortly after Columbine.

Is the main article here admitting that the Cornell suicide programs are in fact deeply flawed? They've been trying to export the "notice and respond system" to other universities for a while. Also, the psychcentral article that advocates the Cornell program (and was published shortly before the notorious suicides) doesn't mention what happened to the students who were kicked out at the discretion of the administration and staff. Under Cornell's program, some students can actually be kicked out just for coming across a little "strange."

Basically, I'm talking about "gaslighting." The members of the administration behind the "Caring Community Program" and the "Notice and Respond System" really do have a "therapy cult" mindset.

I hope I don't come off as exploiting the bridge suicides, but it seems like exploiting suicide in order to gain further control over students' private lives is what the Cornell administration has been doing since their lawyers found a way to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakpa2001 (talk • contribs) 11:23, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1980s

The article mentions the 1970s and 1990s as periods where gorge deaths occurred, but there were definitely a good number in the 1980s. In the four years I lived next to the Stewart Ave bridge over the Fall Creek, I witnessed the aftermath of at least two suicides there, and another from the suspension bridge, and I knew of at least one more at Cascadilla Falls. Very, very sad. Only one of those was a student, as far as I know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.145.95 (talk) 05:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The gorges are older than Cornell University. I wouldn't be surprised if student suicides go back to the institution's founding. It's not like the gorges, suicide, depression, or academic pressure are phenomena exclusive to the last few decades. The article can only cite examples which appear in the literature. Nor, I'll point out, are student suicides unique to Cornell. (Personally, I don't see the point of having such an article at all ... but whatever) - Kzirkel (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]