Talk:Co-rumination

Comments (november 2011)

Hey group! I made about half the edits that Professor Tompkins suggested we do, the second half of her suggested edits still need to be done. Also, I nominated our article for "good article" status. Hfrueh (talk) 01:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

As part of our class project to complete this page, I think a section needs to be added that discusses the etiology, or possible causes of corumination. I found an interesting article that may help me develop this section. It is about the relationship between corumination and empathetic distress in young adolescents. (Smith, R. L., & Rose, A. J. (2011). The “cost of caring” in youths' friendships: Considering associations among social perspective taking, co-rumination, and empathetic distress. Developmental Psychology, doi:10.1037/a0025309). I also think the first section that contains the definition of corumination needs to be developed a little more. Hfrueh (talk) 02:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

For our class project, I will be adding a portion to the article concerning how corumination affects people in daily life. BilliChavez (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC).

I am going to focus on beefing up the developmental area of the topic. Looking at specific studies that have to do with gender and how co-rumination might effect children and adolescents. A few articles that will be of help are:

• Rose, A. J., (2002). Co-rumination in the friendships of girls and boys. Child Development, 73, 1830-1843
• Rose, A. J., & Rudolph, K. D. (2006). A review of sex differences in peer relationship processes: Potential trade-offs for the emotional and behavioral development of girls and boys. Psychological Bulletin, 132, 98-131
• Starr, L. R., & Davila, J. (2009). Clarifying co-rumination: Associations with internalizing symptoms and romantic involvements among adolescent girls. Journal of Adolescence, 32, 19-37
• Stone, L.B., Hankin B. L., Gibbe, B. E., & Abela, J.R. Z. (2011) Co-rumination predicts the onset of depressive disorders during adolescence. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 39, 597-602
• Stone, L.B., Ujrlass, D.J., & Gibb, B. E. (2010). Co-rumination and lifetime history of depressive disorders in children. Journal of Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology, 39, 597-602

Over the next few weeks I will be reading these articles more critically and pull out any information/ideas/theories that are relevant to my topic. I'd also like to link several other topics to this page that make sense when reading through the material. Jessilucas (talk) 17:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on Plan

The plan that was due today should be a fairly comprehensive "to do" list that outlines a preliminary draft of things you might include in the article, initial ideas about how you will structure it, who will work on what sections and a short list of resources that you've begun to consult. I see a fairly incomplete list here that suggests you haven't, together as a team, developed a clear plan. Over the next several weeks you'll want to read everything you can about the topic to learn enough to begin to build on initial ideas about organization and modify/add as needed. Let me know if I can help. Tatompki (talk) 05:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Peer Review for PSYC 181

Hello! I reviewed your article for the class assignment. I like the way that you organized the information, and good job on discussing developmental and gender topics! A suggestion I have is to perhaps expand a little more on each section. For example, on the causes section...are there any studies about a predisposition for corumination? For the effects in daily life section, have studies been done on other areas of life, besides drinking? For the therapy section, have there been any other treatments that work? (Example: would antidepressants help?) I also liked the section about corumination and the workplace, but could it go under the gender differences section? Although I found a couple of grammar errors (see therapy and other research sections), sentence structure is good. Dandres19 (talk) 05:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Nice job with organization. I would suggest reading the article out loud and really paying attention to grammar, some spots are a little awkward. I also wanted to point out you have duplicates of citations that you are going to want to get rid of...

• Rose, A.J. (2002). Co-rumination in the friendships of girls and boys. Child Development, 73, 6, 1830-43.
• Byrd-Craven J, Geary D, Rose A, Ponzi D. Co-ruminating increases stress hormone levels in women. Hormones And Behavior [serial online]. March 2008;53(3):489-492. Available from: PsycINFO, Ipswich, MA. Accessed November 3, 2011
• Kimberly R Zlomke, Kathryn S Hahn (2010).Cognitive emotion regulation strategies: Gender differences and associations to worry.Personality and Individual Differences

Other than that I agree with Dandres19 in his recommendations. --Vkraft (talk) 15:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey! I just read your article and I would like to say that the organization and the basic information that you have is great. There are minor grammatical as well as spelling errors but they have already been pointed out by other users. I think this article can be enhanced by adding a section about other psychological factors that may lead to more co-rumination such as other disorders that may increase it, maybe people who suffer from some mood disorders or stress disorders. also, you may discuss the personality types that are more likely to co-ruminate. Other than that, Look at what the other users said and you are off to a great start! Tjkimmett (talk) 18:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Another Peer Review

Being the last one to peer review this, I'm not sure what else to add. It's a solid article that serves as a good introduction to corumination, with information about each major category, such as etiology and symptoms, although to me it wasn't immediately clear how it was organized. "Causes and effects corumination" as a heading was a little confusing, because it makes it sound to me like both etiology and symptoms will be covered, but then another section is titled "effects in daily life." In that section, I wasn't sure if the following was a typo or terminology: "worry corumination leads to less drinking weekly..." Also, I realized after I read the article that I still don't have a clear idea of what corumination is . Is it a full-fledged disorder in its own right? Is it a symptom of something else? That's enough from me: I should go fix my own section now. Smythadon (talk) 07:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on Rough Draft

Nice job of taking an article with almost nothing in it and expanding to include recent published work on the construct. In general, you will want to carefully read the entire article aloud to listen for awkward phrases and carefully proofread (as I found a fair number of typos).

• First sentence “referring” was misspelled; peers needs a period at the end
• In general either hyphenate or don’t hyphenate Co-rumination (CR) but keep consistent throughout; you do not need to capitalize CR
• Second line – “whereas CR is not.” Then I would start a new sentence as your explanation of overlap yet uniqueness in relation to self-disclosure is a bit hard to follow. Perhaps something like, “Although it is similar to self-disclosure in that it involves revealing and discussing a problem it is excessively problem focused and potentially maladaptive” (add a reference – probably Rose, 2002)
• You also might want to consider noting that some researchers have found evidence calling into question whether CR is associated only with positive outcomes in the peer domain (e.g. Starr & Davila – CR associated with fewer friends prospectively and Tompkins et al. – CR associated with smaller network size concurrently)
• Third line - … has been … associated with anxiety because CR may exacerbate concerns about negative consequences of problems and worries about whether problems will be resolved. It is also associated with depressive symptoms…”
• I would consider changing the heading to “Gender Differences” unless you also want to incorporate additional research (e.g., Calmes & Roberts, 2008; Tompkins et al., 2011) which speaks a bit more clearly to the developmental part of the heading. Specifically, these data suggest that gender differences intensify through early adolescence but begin to perhaps narrow thereafter and remain steady through emerging adulthood.
• You may also want to state a bit more clearly that CR has been found to partially explain or mediate gender differences in anxiety/depression (Rose, 2002; Calmes & Roberts, 2008; Tompkins et al., 2011)
• Second line in “Gender Differences” – “… however, as age differences are not…” add “as”
• ”Research suggests that within adolescents, children who currently exhibit high levels of co-rumination would be more likely to predict the onset of depressive diagnoses than children who exhibit low levels of co-rumination.” – this sentence is tough to follow – perhaps instead that higher levels of CR would predict the onset of depressive dx?
• ”In addition, this link (ADD “was”) maintained even when children with current diagnoses were excluded, as well as statistically controlling for current depressive symptoms”
• Not crazy about the heading title. It seems like you are talking about biological correlates with the cortisol study. The last sentences here seem to restate and expand on the point you make in the last sentence of the prior paragraph. Perhaps this suggests the need to re-organize accordingly? Also want to fix the reference – in general should bring the person to the references vs. provide the names and citation.
• Effects in Daily Life section – need to more fully explain differences between worry vs. angry CR – particularly when you use “negative” CR – it isn’t clear what is meant here
• Therapy - you may want to be a bit more clear here about therapy not being specific to co-rumination but instead that methods may follow what is useful in treating someone with ruminative tendencies. You may also want to link here to other articles that explain CBT for anxiety and depression (and/or rumination). Finally, you may want to note how these findings may more generally inform prevention efforts.~
• Consider changing “Other Research” to “Types of Relationships” and noting that while the majority of the studies have been conducted with youth same-sex friendships others have explored CR and correlates of CR within other types of relationships (e.g., Waller & Rose, 2010 – parent/child; Calmes & Roberts – examined across different relationships; the one you discuss which looks at co-workers)

Tatompki (talk) 07:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Additional Feedback

There are still several suggestions that you didn't attend to... most notably duplications in references and at least a couple of statements in need of appropriate citations (e.g., in "Developmental" section and "Cause and Effect"). Overall, there are still also problems with the writing - strive to write clear and concisely and in a tone that is easy to read. As one example, read this sentence aloud: "Unfortunately, while providing this support, this tendency may also reinforce internalizing problems such as anxiety or depression, especially in adolescent girls,[6] which may account for higher depression among girls than boys." The clause "while providing this support" doesn't follow the previous sentences so "this" has not clear referent. Despite requests by me and another reviewer you still didn't clarify worry vs. angry CR so that this entire section is tough for the lay person to follow. Always describe in a straighforward a manner as possible see WP:MoS) and provide examples to help with technical descriptions. The "Other Research" section is still unclear. You need to re-read and digest the study enough to be able to describe it in a way that lay readers can make sense of. Finally, the section on therapy is still a bit misleading in that this isn't a diagnosis but instead an interpersonal coping strategy that may be associated with internalizing problems. Thus, in this section you should make this clear. It would also be stronger to include a brief discussion of implications for prevention (in some ways this might be more appropriate than discussing therapy).Tatompki (talk) 05:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Corumination/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Puffin (talk · contribs) 19:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Before you nominate an article for GA status, you need to make sure the matinence tags have been addresses. The article still has few links to other articles. The article needs to be copy edited. The grammar and wording is not very good. You can go to WP:GOCE for this. Do not wikilink common words such as gender. The article needs to be clarified. For example, "inconsistent with male norms" What do you mean by "norms?"
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Words to watch: Avoid the word "significant." You use this word 3 times in the article. It is a peacock term. What makes the things so significant? "may very well be a result of constantly going over problems" The word "very" and the whole statement is too vague. It is unsourced too. Please clarify what this means.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	You repeat the same reference several times. You need to use {{cite book}} FN 2: You need to provide page references for multi page PDFs. FN 6: Needs page numbers. FN 8: Needs page numbers. FN 13 and 17: Exactly the same, please use {{cite web}} for this. All book references need to be formatted as such, with {{cite book}} and all web references need to be formatted as such, with {{cite web}}. Please read WP:FN. You should not be putting references directly into the text. For example, you say "Research on co-rumination in the workplace (Haggard et al., 2011)" Inline citations go directly after the punctuation and not before it.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Why are there inline citations above the references section? What statements do these sources support? Please, transfer them to the relavent part of the article. "Girls are more likely than boys to co-ruminate with their close friends, and co-rumination increases with age in children. Female adolescents are more likely to co-ruminate ruminate than younger girls, because their social worlds become increasingly complex and stressful." Unsourced, please provide a citation. "Young women tend to turn to each other for social support, especially during the tumultuous years of adolescence." Unsourced, please provide a citation. "Since co-rumination involves repeatedly going over problems again and again this obviously can lead to depression and anxiety. Catastrophizing, when one takes small possibilities and blows them out of proportion into something negative, is common in depression and anxiety and may very well be a result of constantly going over problems that may not be as bad as they seem." Unsourced, please provide a citation. The "Effects in Daily Life" section is completely unsourced, please insert inline citations. "men showed vast improvement in anxiety and worrying symptoms by focusing attention on how to handle a negative event "refocus on planning" whereas for women, accepting a negative event/emotion and re-framing it in a positive light was associated with decreased levels of worry. In other words, some of the cognitive emotion regulation strategies that work for men do not necessarily work for women and vice versa. Patients are encouraged to talk about their problems with friends and family members, but need to focus on a solution instead of focusing on the exact problem." Unsourced, please provide a citation. The "Other research" section is completely unsourced, please insert inline citations.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Yes, sources have not been cited to some sections indicating that primary sources have been used.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	The whole "Other research" section is unsourced, and it does not fairly give weight to each gender, and so, it is not neutral. Where there are no citations in some sections, the sections are also not neutral. This needs to be fixed.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	There could possibly be a picture of a patient recieving this therapy.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	No images.
	7. Overall assessment.	This article is not currently ready for good article status, so I will not be listing it at this time. Please consider the points raised above and after working on it, take it to WP:Peer review and then please renominate at WP:GAN. There are many major problems with this article. I am afraid this article is a long way off of GA status. Puffin Let's talk! 20:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

This article does not fail criteria 6a/b. Wikipedia:Good article criteria states "The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement." Therefore, a lack of an image is not a reason to fail criteria 6. maclean (talk) 01:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Additions to article

I've come across a relatively recent study done in '09-'11 on adolescents in regards to effects of social networking contributing to teen corumination. The article touches on some of the severities of the condition and will allow me to add some more information to the "Effects in daily life" section". There were also links tied between social networking acting as a venue for potentially negative social interactions; therefore leading to further depression. I would like to create an additional subsection to this page concerning social networking and its direct connection with corumination. I'm also hoping to clarify the seriousness of the condition as I believe it to be indirectly harmful to a person's wellbeing by severely affecting their demeanour. The study below does not directly touch on this but I am hoping I can find further research regarding exactly how fatal the condition is. Clarifying whether or not it is just one of many contributing factors to depression or an actual disease itself would also be key to include.

Title of Article: Frequency and Quality of Social Networking Among Young Adults: Associations With Depressive Symptoms, Rumination, and Corumination Authors: Davila, Joanne; Hershenberg, Rachel; Feinstein, Brian A.; Gorman, Kaitlyn; Bhatia, Vickie; Starr, Lisa R.

Joscolli (talk) 01:20, 4 October 2012 (UTC)