Talk:Dave Brubeck/Archive 1
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- 1 Selected discography
- 2 Kennedy Center Awards
- 3 Link to United States Army Portal?
- 4 Laetare Award
- 5 Mills College? Impossible!
- 6 Head injury?
- 7 Wolf Pack
- 8 Technofile?
- 9 Wrong time signature
- 10 Sources and references
- 11 Red Cross
- 12 Honors
- 13 Studied under Schoenberg
- 14 6/4 time signature
- 15 Choral composition
- 16 Sources belong here, not in external links
i belive some of the live albums should be taken out to more emphisise his many varieties of albums... his backing of jimmy rushing and the sequal to time out, time furthen out, should be noted aswell, as one of the first sucsessful sequels of a number one jazz album —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Kennedy Center Awards
Link to United States Army Portal?
Why there's a link of the United States Army Portal in this page? I don't see any valuable reference to put that link in Dave Brubeck's page. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but it's an impression. Xinematik (talk) 00:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Brubeck was just named as the 2006 recipient of the University of Notre Dame's Laetare Award. The award is very prestigious among American Catholics. I can't quite decide how to enter it into the article. Anyone want to take that up? More info is in the Indianapolis Star. John of New Yawk 10:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Mills College? Impossible!
This entry claims that Brubeck studied at Mills College. While this claim seems sensible in one respect - Mills College in Oakland is near to Concord, where the entry says he was born - it is absurd in a more important one: Mills is an all-women's school!
There was a brief controversy in the 90s when it was proposed that men be allowed, and this proposal was then rejected.
If it is somehow true that Brubeck studied there while not enrolled (or something), it should be noted.
- the entry on mills college states quite clearly that the graduate school has been coed since 1920. problem solved.Toyokuni3 (talk) 14:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Mills undergraduate is woman only, the graduate program is currently, at least, co-ed. Hyacinth 22:15, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Hello, In reguards to the Mills college comments. This segment is taken right out of the book - It's About Time, The Dave Brubeck Story written by Fred M. Hall in 1996. Published by The University of Arkansas Press - Fayetteville - Chapter Four - Time for New Beginning. Page 32 paragraph 1. "In 1946, Mills College in Oakland, California, was an all-female school, modeled on Vassar and Radcliffe in the East. It had an advanced faculty and a pronounced affinity for exploring he arts and, in particular, music's new meanings for a postwar world. At war's end, with the flood of returning servicemen, the college opened its doors to a few male music students. Among them, in the fall of 1946 and spring of 1947 were Dave Brubeck, Bill Smith, Jack Weeks, Dave Van Kriedt, and Dick Collins. . .". I hope this rectifies any question if he attended the Mills College. Thanks for the site. - Joe Kennedy
I remember hearing that Dave Brubeck when he was young dove into a pool and hit his head, and had some coordination problems after than with his fingers, resulting in his distinctive playing style. Does anyone know anything about this? I thought I heard it on the Ken Burns Jazz series. --Theloniouszen 02:10, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Sometime around 1950, he had a serious swimming accident (dived into a sand bar). Dave claims he still feels pain in his back, neck & fingers.
However... imo it had little to do with his distinctive playing style. I'm sure it affected his playing, but Dave already had a distinctive style driven by thought more than technique. It also couldn't have hampered him too much, since he went on to make a great many recordings with no sign of a lack of fluidity. ¦ Reisio 01:28, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)
- I remember in the Ken Burns Jazz series, it mention that after Brubeck's injury, he didn't have the same mobility in his fingers anymore, which is why he played so many block chords. However, I've done some googling and couldn't find any online corroboration. --Arcadian 15:05, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
- Are there any pre-1950 recordings of Brubeck around? 126.96.36.199 (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Burns' series also mentions his Army band, the Wolf Pack; the article doesn't. Include it? Trekphiler 08:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe it's my browser, but I'm getting a weird overlap between the music lines & the text. Can somebody fix? Trekphiler 08:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Wrong time signature
The article says that Blue Rondo is in 9/8. The bulk of the piece is in 7/8, which, beyond being a brilliant piece of writing, is its biggest claim to fame. --Rod
- It is a brilliant piece of writing, but the "head" of the piece is actually in 9/8. What gives it such a unique sound is that the bars are usually subdivided into three groups of 2, with a final grouping of 3 beats (2+2+2+3=9), with the exception coming near the end of the "head", when Brubeck launches into the ascending/descending chord figures that introduces the solo section. The liner notes for "Time Out" corroborates this. On the other hand, though, Brubeck's "Unsquare Dance" is in 7/8. Perhaps you were confusing the two?
- It's definitely in 9/8, try counting it again ;) 188.8.131.52 17:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
- Statements about the time signatures of famous Brubeck pieces such as Take Five and Blue Rondeau a la Turk should be sourced. --Tony Sidaway 18:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
There is no reason to source the time signatures--just listen. Blue Rondo starts in 9/8 but then goes to 4/4 and back to 9/8. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 02:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Sources and references
I'm not sure why this article has an "unreferenced" template. There are four references and sure it could use more, but it definitely has some. Unsourced statements can and should be removed from the article, rather than left in place. --Tony Sidaway 18:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Desmond didn't leave everything to the Red Cross, just the proceeds from Take Five. See Doug Ramsey's biography for more detail and verification. -- 220.127.116.11
- "The balance of Desmond's residuary estate, after payment of debts and taxes, went to The American Red Cross. "Residuary" is the fateful word in that provision of Desmond's will. Every year since his death, through his royalties from "Take Five," his other compositions, his recordings and his share of the Brubeck Quartet recordings, Desmond has kept on earning. Noel Silverman sends the Red Cross the money…"
- I'll change it to 'all residuals'. ¦ Reisio 17:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
His hometown of Concord renamed a park to Dave Brubeck Park (adjacent to Concord High School) in 2006 ref: . The same reference says he received the President's Medal of Achievement.--Billymac00 (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Studied under Schoenberg
The liner notes from The Essence of Dave Brubeck state that he studied under Arnold Schoenberg. I should think that is an important connection in 20th C. music, not to mention the impact Schoenberg may have had on Brubeck's compositional technique. However, the liner notes don't tell how long Brubeck studied under Schoenberg. It's not even clear whether the relationship existed during his Mills College period or just after. I just like Brubeck's music: I leave to others whether to incorporate this information into the article. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
6/4 time signature
6/4 is diffrent then 3/4.... its in the pulse.. its more of a cut time approch to playing a 6/8... just as in 8/8 is plenty diffrent then 4/4 and 6/8 is a totally diffrent feel to 3/4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Though not as well known as his work in Jazz, Dave Brubeck also wrote and published several choral works. These include his larger works The Gates of Justice and Beloved Son. Most of his choral music was cooly received by critics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshallfantiv (talk • contribs) 10:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
These sources do not belong in External links. I have moved the link farm from there to this talk page where they do belong. Warning: I didn't check them over, so be careful in choosing any references here. Thank you! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 05:04, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- 2004 WNYC Interview with Brubeck
- Dave Brubeck Collection at the University of the Pacific Library's Holt-Atherton Special Collections
- Rediscovering Dave Brubeck, PBS, December 16, 2001 documentary
- Dave Brubeck Discography Project
- The Brubeck Institute
- Biography, photos, CDs and concert review of Dave Brubeck by cosmopolis.ch
- Discography at SonyBMG Masterworks
- Dave Brubeck Quartet Discography at SonyBMG Masterworks
- Dave Brubeck at AllMusic
- Musical Prayers Dave Brubeck, TIME Magazine
- theartsdesk Q&A: Dave Brubeck at 90 (December 3, 2010)
- Dave Brubeck – Unsquare Dance[dead link]