Talk:Delaware Route 5

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Date	Process	Result
February 23, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

U.S. Roads: State highways / Delaware Mid‑importance

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Delaware Route 5/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 19:58, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Can you mention the length of the road in the intro?

Route description

This should definitely have coordinates inline from where the route starts and where the route finishes at the very least for reference. Especially as there is no map in the article to refer to. I'd say it is essential to understanding the article. I can add coordinates beginning and end myself if you cant do it like 38°35′47″N 75°10′25″W / 38.59639°N 75.17361°W / 38.59639; -75.17361. What I would do is look on a flash earth and trace the road with the bing map tracer clicked on the side and add inline coordinates into the text at the notable intersections and jot down the coordinates and add them into the article on every intersection. It is pretty important in my view for understanding the article.

"Here, DE 5 splits from DE 24 and turns northwest onto DE 23, which is called Indian Mission Road." It's awkward here as you've written this on a different paragraph and it says Here. Best to merge paragraph I think or at least mention where again.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:21, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Dough 48 72 22:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"housing subdivisions." What are these? Do you mean blocks of houses?

Housing subdivisions are a group of houses. Dough 48 72 22:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the coordinates concerns... this has been the subject of much debate. Would you find an interactive map such as that on Ontario Highway 401 helpful? --Rs chen 7754 20:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely, but I would still like to see coordinates for the start of the road and the end of the road. If this is disputed please point me to where it is said as I believe it is essential for articles like this for viewing on google maps and even navigating the route on google street view.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, the entirety of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Highways/Archive 4. --Rs chen 7754 20:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would start like this:

DE 5 begins at 38°35′47″N 75°10′25″W / 38.59639°N 75.17361°W / 38.59639; -75.17361 and heads northwest on two-lane undivided Oak Orchard Road from the intersection with River Road on the shore of the Indian River Bay, passing through the residential areas of Oak Orchard.

This way you immediately have a reference point to accompany you in reading the article describing the route. It baffles me as to why the highway project wouldn't think it important to locate the roads on google maps! I see some arguments like "While termini are important and objective, two sets of coordinates would give undue weight to the termini when in fact intermediate parts of the route may be more important." against it which I find bizarre. The whole point of the coordinates is not for stressing importance of the terminus points but so you can view the entire road from start to finish on google maps externally! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How about an external link route map for google and bing maps like in the Ontario Highway 401 article? I think the coordinates of the junctions in M5 motorway are very useful too, although I can see the argument against the coordinates looking unsightly. The 401 highway article seems to tackle this best with a route tracer on google. Can you do this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:00, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: For what it's worth, the article already uses Google Maps as a reference. –Fredddie ™ 21:01, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So it does, but its not at the reader's fingertips. A link externally in the top right like on the 401 article would be very useful.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. –Fredddie ™ 21:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, that's fine.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
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B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
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Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
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Given that this is an article on a small road in Delaware, and google book searching it myself and seeing the distinct lack of sources available, I think this is pretty good considering. It could do with a bit more meat in places, especially its history, but I'd imagine that only that information is available in a local county library or something. I'd still like to see coordinates inline for the start of the highway and the end as a quick reference, but the route link externally solves the purpose of that so it isn't really essential. It would be nice to see a map in the infobox; open street map offers the chance to make one, but the quality is not great. I will review your others tomorrow, but in advance if you have time I ask you to add the google/bing route map links as you have done here to them.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]