Talk:Diminished seventh chord
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Sixth shyness?
[edit]Why (1, ♭3, ♭5, ♮6), not simply (1, ♭3, ♭5, 6)? What suggests ♮6 ≠ 6 in this context? Sz. (talk) 21:10, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
B and A
[edit]Is Bb really an enharmonic of A? To my knowledge, "enharmonic" means "the same note." Check out the page on enharmonics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enharmonically Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). Bbb (double flat)is enharmonic to A, but not Bb. That is because there is a whole step between A and B, and Bb is a half step from B. Flatting Bb would bring it down to an A. Or you could say Bb is enharmonic with A#, but not A. Josh Zaslow (talk) 03:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)Josh Zaslow
- A♯ and B♭ are enharmonic. Why do you ask? Hyacinth (talk) 05:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Diminished seventh root
[edit]- Taken from article
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- According to W.A. Mathieu, the terminology of diminished seventh chords is misleading and contradicts usage for other types of chords. Specifically, the chord called a "diminished seventh chord", and written Bdim7 or B°, "should" indicate a B diminished triad with a minor seventh note, if the regular system of chord naming was followed. But instead a diminished seventh chord is a diminished triad with a diminished seventh note. Because of this "mistake" of nomenclature new terms had to be invented to indicate a diminished triad with a minor seventh. This chord has become known as a "half-diminished seventh chord" or a "minor seven flat five chord", written Bø or Bm7(-5).
- For all other types of chords a letter by itself indicates a major triad (for example, C means "C major triad"), while "min", "dim", etc, indicate a different type of triad (for example, Cmin means "C minor triad" and Cdim means "C diminished triad"). The number "7" by itself indicates the addition of a minor seventh note (C7 means "C major triad plus a minor seventh note"), while other types of sevenths are indicated with terms like "maj" (CMAJ7 means "C major triad plus a major seventh note"). Following this system, the term Cdim7 would mean "C diminished triad plus a minor seventh", but instead it means "C diminished triad plus a diminished seventh". Thus the terms "half-diminished", the ø icon, and "minor seventh flat five" (written m7(-5)) were collectively invented to describe the chord whose "logical name" was already used.<ref>Mathieu, W.A. Harmonic Experience: Tonal Harmony from Its Natural Origins to Its Modern Expression (1997), pp. 371-372, Inner Traditions International ISBN 0-89281-560-4</ref>
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- Taken from article since discussion does not belong in articles. Hyacinth (talk) 05:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Citation not needed
[edit]The whole wikipedia is overfull of "citation needed" tags. Use them when you think there actually is a citation, not wherever you see a "some do this some do that" pattern. This worsens readability and it's unclear whether a citation for the said sentence really exists. In the article, the sentence about notation could not be more precise IMHO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.160.134.42 (talk) 07:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Diminished 7th tuning
[edit]The tuning given in this page uses the MINOR 7th interval instead of the DIMINISHED one: "25:30:36:45". Diminished 7th interval should be 128:75 or 216:125 [see [1]] (which corresponds to approx' 25:30:36:43, [or 75:90:108:135 or 125:150:180:216]). Don't know which one is more widely accepted, but the tuning listed now is just wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.166.81.221 (talk) 22:53, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I reckon 25:30:35:42 is a more appropriate voicing. I don't know if I should replace with it or merely add it. TreeNamedUser (talk) 01:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
References
Why are musical scores temporarily disabled?
[edit]I was going to use this for a class reading! Please restore! 108.7.186.137 (talk) 18:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
"Offensive" quote?
[edit]User:2601:243:700:BA00:D93A:9D4C:9109:777B is wishing to remove the following text from the Schoenberg quote: "There it remains, as a sentimental expression of sentimental concerns. It became banal and effeminate." on the grounds that it is offensive. Thoughts? It's certainly dated language, but I don't think the quote is complete without it. WP:NOTCENSORED, among other things. Dave.Dunford (talk) 08:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)