Talk:Doctrine of lapse

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Jhansi in 1853.

I think Jhansi was annexed in 1853... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.212.25.78 (talk) 08:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

her husband died in 1854 childless ....so I think then after the annexation could only possible Khaled hussain (talk) 10:54, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kittur in 1824.

Kittur Chennamma lost her kingdom under this doctrine in 1824. So how do we say that it was "articulated as early as 1834"? NarasMG (talk) 17:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

European feudal pattern?

I suspect that the model for this doctrine of lapse lies in the medieval feudal pattern, which saw subsidiary rulers as holding their land whilst their line persisted, but when the line failed, the land returned to the control of the higher level ruler, which might be the king, to be reallocated to whoever he now chose, or to be kept indefinitely. The exercise of this in India thus arises from the British East India's company's assertion of being 'suzerain'. Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 23:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. The Mughal Empire had a theory of lapse already, which however hardly ever was applied. From Shah Jahan onwards, all Mughal officers were the emperor's ‘slaves’ (banda). This did not mean bonded labour or poverty. Many of them were very rich. But it did mean that all their possessions legally were the emperor's property, and when they died, the emperor graciously permitted their heirs to inherit. Before that, the dead officer's wealth was estimated, and a great part of it returned to the state treasury, sometimes 50 %. The officers debts against the state had to be paid too. If there were no heirs, the officer's property went back to the state. Otherwise, only gross abuse of office could prevent the inheritance permit. Cf. M. Athar Ali: The Mughal Nobility Under Aurangzeb, Delhi: Oxford India Paperbacks, 1997, p. 63-68. Incompetence, however, was not a Mughal category. An officer agains whom proven complains of massive suppression of subject or misappropriation of taxes were widely heard would be fined and transferred, and only in the gravest cases degraded, but not expelled. --Curryfranke (talk) 17:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sst

What was the doctrine of lapse 2409:4053:211F:27A1:E384:7561:E70E:A13E (talk) 11:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Social science

The Indian peasants became poor and debtors during the rule of the east india company because... 2405:205:C927:AD3F:0:0:818:38AD (talk) 07:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

English

What is your name 124.123.177.49 (talk) 13:30, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Doctrine of lapsation"?

Why does the opening sentence of the lead section use this term, whereas the remainder of the article refers to the "doctrine of lapse"? Masato.harada (talk) 17:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]