Talk:Drama (Yes album)

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If Going for the One is rated low importance on Progressive Rock why is Drama mid? Changed it to low. Rfill1rd (talk) 19:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not good at writing wikipedia articles, but...[edit]

I did want to point out that the opening paragraph, " It is the only album recorded with singer Trevor Horn and keyboardist Geoff Downes in the band's line-up..." isn't exactly accurate, as Geoff Downes would later rejoin Yes in 2011 and would record both Fly from Here and Heaven & Earth with them. Would appreciate if someone could rework the opening paragraph to reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:00, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Album credits[edit]

Greetings! I thought I'd better create a discussion regarding @Wunkt2:'s edits with the album credits. I saw the IP revert and went on Discogs to see the particular credits. The only particular instruments I see are Steve's guitars listed and general band credits for the other members. Plus, I don't see Anderson credited for the writing on any of the tracks. Any thoughts on how/where to properly list the Personnel section? Cheers! LowSelfEstidle (talk) 09:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, most of the info I put in there is at the level of "true but not listed on any known source besides individual fan observations" (Squire apparently confirmed his use of the Thunderbird on Facebook in 2013 but I was unable to source that one). Downes talks about the Widor quote here, the Drama Tourbook has album session photos of White at the vibraphones and all writing about White Car implies that it was made only by the Buggles. About Anderson's contributions: Yes' "jam" style of songwriting often meant each member was writing their part on the fly & going back & deciding what to change or keep afterwards (like Horn on the Tempus Fugit tracking session) and they have a history of not crediting former members on songs completed after their departure (Tony Kaye's parts on Fragile). Anderson is credited for both Dance Through the Light and (on the expanded Tormato) Everybody's Song, which are early versions of Drama songs and do feature lyrics & vocal melodies that ended up on the final album, albeit only under the "current members" blanket credit.
For now I'll wait for a reply regarding those, but I will go ahead and add the guitar engineers & the studios each one worked at (since that is info listed on Discogs) and change "Fender Steel" to "Console Steel", since the console one is somewhat of a Howe trademark & one he's been using for about 45 years now. Wunkt2 (talk) 15:41, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks @Wunkt2: for the reply. We can definitely use the Widow passage in the Songs section as it's great info, but Downes suggest his parts doesn't contain an "original sequence" from the Toccata, and in my opinion cannot really be listed as a full credit. Regarding Anderson's writing, shall we explain his involvement as an NB note next to his name? Putting his name without any explanation is confusing for less-knowledgeable readers. I'm not sure we can imply anything about vibraphones and "White Car" as the credits list every track was "written, produced, and arranged" by everyone. What's your thoughts? Cheers. LowSelfEstidle (talk) 11:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I added the Downes/Widor reference. LowSelfEstidle (talk) 11:54, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd say the best way to handle that would be to, like with the reissue tracks, just put an NB on the track titles & inform that the 2 tracks use Anderson material from previous jams (and Radar Angels as well on the Run Through the Light case). Everything I've read about the other 5 tracks of the album indicate that they were written by either group (Downes/Horn & Howe/Squire/White) bringing forth an unused song/jam idea to be worked on with the other group, but with White Car everything points to it being solely a Downes/Horn effort. In the Innerviews page Howe glides a bit over crediting matters with Yes implying that for Drama it was agreed by all members that whatever ended up on the album would be credited to all current members, regardless of input; in this Q&A (which I'll be adding to the page soon) Downes breaks down the album's version of White Car as "CMI samples + vocder + Horn vocal". So I think it can be inferred that the writing process of the song was done solely by the two. Wunkt2 (talk) 23:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the links and research, @Wunkt2:. It adds some support to your edits now. The article is looking good! Maybe with some more sources we can get it to GA? Cheers LowSelfEstidle (talk) 08:07, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately I don't have much time left to dedicate to this site. I've just added the last bits of researched info I had about this album to the page. If you manege to get more info, good luck on reaching that path. Wunkt2 (talk) 23:00, 1 May 2016 (UTC)