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- I know nothing about trademark issues in WP naming, but the proposal sounds good. The article should probably also be combined with Skip (container), especially if we get more information about and a picture of a roll-off dumpster. --Espoo 08:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. —Wiki Wikardo 19:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
roll-off dumpster / roll-off container
Possible sources and pictures:
Popular culture/media references
Two *categories* of cultural reference that would be good to list: people falling from buildings landing safely in a trash-filled dumpster, and sleeping/unconscious/dead people in a dumpster being accidentally emptied into a garbage truck. The first one is a common fictional cliche, the second one tragically occurs IRL as well. I don't think TVtropes is a reliable source, I can google an endless list of "person emptied from dumpster into garbage truck" news stories, or "person falls into a dumpster full of boxes" movie scenes but it would probably be better to describe the situations than list x number of occurrences. - Syd (talk) 06:21, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Merge proposal (roll-off)
- Actually, after reading the above merger proposal section, it would seem a "skip" and a "roll-off" are quite similar (being slightly different versions of the same thing). I think a strong case could be made that both skip and roll-off be merged into this article. They are all pretty much the same thing with slightly different configurations and names. Do we really need three separate articles for this? We're here to teach people... not confuse the hell out of them. – JBarta (talk) 01:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
This was a very confusing subject, and required some research. ::deep breath::
After some poking around it seems to me there are three kinds of large waste container:
- Small wheeled variety which can be moved by a person. These are typically wheeled over to a truck which lifts it and tips the contents out. Typically have a lid.
- Small unwheeled variety which is typically lifted onto a truck. These are single or double-trapezoidal (inverted truncated pyramid) in side view and seem to be popular in the UK but not the US. Typically they have no lid, but may have a side door for walk-in loading.
- Larger variety which is typically moved by winch. Up to the size of a shipping container. Typically used for construction waste. Must be loaded onto the pickup truck in its entirety, hauled away, and tipped at the dump or transfer station. This is a type of roller container, and is usually rectangular with no lid; one of the ends may open for walk-in loading.
As far as I can tell, the words and phrases used to describe these things are:
- Skip - British for the small unwheeled variety or larger unwheeled variety. Australian for any larger-than-household waste container.
- Skip bin - British or Australian for the small wheeled variety
- Dumpster - American for any larger-than-household waste container, but originating from the Dempster Brothers' trademarked term referring to the smaller variety. Possibly British or Australian specifically for the small wheeled variety.
- Roll-off - American for the larger variety
- Wheelie bin - British for the smaller variety, but also used for a household trash bin on wheels
- Container - American for the larger variety (similar to "shipping container"), but in either dialect could refer to a household or industrial waste container of any size
- Frontloader container - the smaller variety, according to the article used in unnamed countries
I think we have two options:
1. Merge all these articles under one article (probably Dumpster) and explain the physical and vocabulary differences there.
2. Maintain three articles, in all three noting the vocabulary overlap and explaining the physical differences:
- Dumpster - Small, wheeled variety
- Skip (container) - Small, unwheeled variety
- Roll-off (dumpster) - Large variety
I'm in favor of (1). Yeah, as Orenburg1 pointed out on Talk:Skip, there are different brand and design histories and different vocabulary for the same type of thing, but I agree with JBarta that it's less confusing to explain those small differences in a single unified article. Many things, like regulations and practices, overlap across two or three of these types.
- Vote against. It seems somewhat American centric to merge European type skips, invented in France just after world war 1, into Dumpster which is a term never used in Europe. I would not say they are particularly small by the way - the most common size is about 10 M3. Orenburg1 (talk) 09:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- @Orenburg1: Should we merge dumpster into skip in order to be Euro-centric instead, or is there some third term you would prefer? I would note that lorry redirects to truck; if there are just two different terms for the same thing, we just pick one for the title and explain both. -- Beland (talk) 18:49, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
The Dempster Dumpmaster, which became the first successful front-loading garbage truck that used this system, to popularized the word.