Talk:Elbow

Shakespeare's use of "elbow"

The article says: The word 'elbow' was first used in William Shakespeare's play King Lear (1606) But that isn't true. Shakespeare was apparently the first person to use "elbow" as a verb, but not the first to use the word "elbow" at all. The word itself existed as a noun for long before Shakespeare's use of it as a verb in King Lear. Example: In King Lear, The Earl of Kent says "A sovereign shame so elbows him" when talking about King Lear to mean "some shameful actions he did previously that still bother him". Bzzzing (talk) 07:47, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

You are correct; deleted.TjoeC (talk) 17:42, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Elbow and elbow joint

Re an earlier edit and removal - MeSH differentiates between these two. The page includes a section on the elbow joint and most other sections relate to the elbow in general. --Iztwoz (talk) 20:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Head of ulna?

The article states "The third landmark is the olecranon found at the head of the ulna." I was always taught the ulnar head was at its distal end. 140.228.217.193 (talk) 22:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Carrying angle

Several sources describe the carrying angle- the angulation laterally of the forearm bones- as a product of the swinging clearance of the arm past the hips. In military x-ray tech school in the 1970s we were taught that the angle was a sex-linked trait generally, that is most likely reduced as a result of the arm's use. Hence "throwing like a girl" is due to this angle; but if it was an evolved trait it was pointed out that female humans tended to sit a carried child on the ala of the hip, and the angle also strengthened that ability for the female to carry weight with the arm bent. Many NFL quarterbacks tend to entirely lose that angulation in their throwing arms over a career of throwing the ball. Tennis players both male and female often lose their angles after years of playing the game. I have been curious over the years to find out what golf and other sports that involve strong straight-arm extensions do to the carrying angle over time.

I am also not able to find whether archeologists have a determining criteria that tells them the "handedness" (chirality if you will) of fossil ancestors, or biologists have an understanding of this phenomena among other vertebrates, though I had read that crows tend to be more right-biased than left.

I have no sources for my carrying angle assertions other than a classroom lecture in the 1970s. 2601:1C2:4680:11B0:843B:E1DA:9324:496A (talk) 05:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes the Head of the ulna contains the olecranon process

Again, as a military radiology student in the 1970s, we were taught the olecranon is at the head (proximal end) of the ulna 2601:1C2:4680:11B0:843B:E1DA:9324:496A (talk) 05:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Wenis is already discussed on this page, so consolidating in one place would be helpful. So, I'm suggesting a merge for overlap and context. Klbrain (talk) 20:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

As the article author I'm inclined to disagree. The wenis is an anatomically distinct region of the elbow and is not synonymous with it, and the article in question discusses more than just the word itself. I see it as being of equivalent notability to the joints, ligaments, and membranes of the elbow which have their own articles. In my opinion, olecranal skin is worthy of a standalone article to be further expanded upon. Mbdfar (talk) 11:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Other parts of the elbow might warrant separate discussion, but many don't. For example, we don't have a separate page for synovial membrane of the elbow joint, or the joint capsule, but rather these are adequately and appropriately discussed in the context of the broader topic for better context. Klbrain (talk) 17:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

If the page were a stub about either the anatomy of the wenis or simply the term itself, I would agree. However, the article in its current state would not be appropriate to merge into the #Society_and_culture section as suggested. Merging it fully into the Elbow article under various sections would dilute the usefulness of the information. As you stated in your original post, I also believe consolidation to be most helpful. I see this information being the most accessible in the form of a standalone article. Mbdfar (talk)

Support merge: The elbow article already has the "Society and culture" section, which provides a bit of information on the use of 'wenis' and 'wagina'. Otherwise, the anatomy and related medical conditions can be merged into the larger elbow article -- especially given that the term "wenis" is not used in the medical literature. If there were significant scholarly use of the term "wenis", I might change my mind. However, the only sources that use the term "wenis" are related to culture in the "Etymology" section. Given this, the "wenis" article itself is a stub. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Alternative would be changing the title and focus to be the Olecranal skin with a mention that this is sometimes colloquially referred to as the wenis. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

"the only sources that use the term "wenis" are related to culture in the "Etymology" section." This is not true. Most sources in the article use the term 'wenis' or a variation of it. See sources 1-5, 7-8, 11, 14-15. I would not be opposed to a title change if it is proven that 'olecranal skin' has more usage than the current title. Barring that, WP:UCRN would suggest that the current title should stand. Mbdfar (talk) 21:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)