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Fuck the dealer was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 03 July 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Euchre variations. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Regional variations

This section is inconsistent with the rest of the article. Many of the rules in the rest of the article state the region this variation is popular in. The rules in regional variations could be spread amongst the existing sections. Emperor Dalek (talk) 07:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fuck the dealer - incorrect merge

It is my humble opinion that the decision to merge Fuck the dealer into Euchre_variations#Making_trump is in error. The similarly-named Screw the Dealer (plus some equivalents) in Euchre refers to the fact that the dealer must make trump even though he may not want to. Fuck the Dealer is a totally separate card game. It uses a standard 52-card playing deck while Euchre is played with a 24-card deck. Its rules are totally different from Euchre rules. Since the merge discussion is already closed, I am not sure what steps should be taken to correct this error. Anyone know how to rescind this mistaken decision? Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 00:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Five-Handed Euchre

It has been proposed elsewhere that Five-Handed Euchre and Five-Handed Euchre (Bid) be merged into Euchre variations#Five players. I am facilitating discussion and have no opinion. I will note that the Five-Handed articles may have to be trimmed to fit into this article. Flatscan (talk) 04:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trimmed

There are two distinct situations on this article. First and foremost, the article was created to list the many different situations which may happen during the play. Some deal directly with regional rules on game playing while others are merely psycological ones ! The second situation is somewhat bizarre. Euchre gaming variations, like two, three, five-handed variations were later added to the article causing all this turmoil.

I will do the following then: I am gonna start trimming the Five-Handed Euchre because that would be done anyway ! As for the Five-Handed Euchre (Bid), it's related with Bid Euchre and should join the proper article. By the way it's not about articles but card game lineage.

Oh, I almost forgot, let's created another article on game rules and leave the game variations here. This page deals with: "throw-ins", "lay-downs" and so on, that is, game terminology. See you on monday pal, happy weekend......:) !

Krenakarore (talk) 09:44, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Five-Handed Euchre (Bid) to Bid Euchre looks reasonable. If there are no objections in a few days, I'll alter the merge tags appropriately. Flatscan (talk) 03:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the merge tags. Flatscan (talk) 02:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok ! Five-Handed Euchre is already trimmed. Looks nice now (in my Word Processor), but will get better. Thanks Flatscan ! Krenakarore (talk) 09:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion over 2S and 2H in "Lay-down hand" section of this article

To at least four wikipedia readers and Euchre enthusiasts, it is unclear what the 2S and 2H in the "lay-down hand" section stand for. Please clarify if you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.23.152 (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After a bit of research, I think 2S is referring to the deuce of spades and 2H is referring to the deuce of hearts, which are sometimes added and given the highest rank in variations ("Railroad Euchre"). I think this means that a lay down hand should be a pair of jacks and any 3 cards of trump suit which is unbeatable if the jacks are played first. I'm not sure if this is right, though, as I've only played euchre a couple times. I'm going to try and re-write that section, but if someone more familiar with hearts can look it over and post a reply here that would be appreciated. Zemaniac (talk) 22:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Poker" Rules

Although I'm guessing barely anyone plays with the rules anyway... if someone does play with the "Poker Rules"... I am thinking they should use the actual odds based on a Euchre deck, not a full poker deck:

Euchre Deck Poker Hands:

Total Hands: 42,504

Straight Flush: 8

Flush: 16

4 of a Kind: 120

Full House: 720

Straight: 1040

3 of a kind: 2304

Runt: 4456

Two Pair: 10,800

One Pair: 23,040

A "runt" hand actually beats one or two pair (think about it... with only 6 ranks and 5 cards, you have a pair in your hand well over half your deals). And a flush beats everything but a straight flush, but, considering if you have a flush and you are actually able to call trump, you'd play it as a loner euchre hand anyway. But, it is important.... if you call "Poker" with 4 of a kind.... really you shouldn't beat someone in front of you who had a flush and didn't get to call trump. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dletter (talk • contribs) 19:46, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited cruft

This article has become a repository of uncited cruft. The only reference is to the opening sentence and the fact that Euchre has many variations. I will look through the sources online and offline and then propose to remove all material not mentioned anywhere else but here. Bermicourt (talk) 07:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Future of the article

Having cleaned up Euchre and Euchre variants, I'm concerned that most of this article is not just uncited, but already covered in the main article. For example:

Dealing variations. Uncited tactical comment about Euchre with additional cards - the latter is already covered at Euchre. "Stealing the deal" is about cheating and not encyclopaedic.
McEvoy. Uncited name for term already covered at Euchre.
Farmer's hand. Ditto.
Picking up the top card. Options that could easily be added to Euchre if cited.
Making trump. These are probably genuine options, but all are currently uncited.
Going alone. Ditto.
Throw-ins. Miscellany of dubious options.
Lay-down hand. Uncited commentary, but the term is covered at Euchre.
Scoring variations and rituals. Most of this is covered at Euchre.

I'm thinking that, once the duplication with Euchre is deleted and source-able material transferred there, this will probably be up for deletion. Bermicourt (talk) 14:07, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]