Talk:Everyday carry

I just heard the term EDC used on a review of a multi-tool (Youtube) and had no clue what it might mean. A Google search revealed mostly companies or organisations. This article explained it clearly and concisely. I only wish it was longer and would go into more detail. It sounds like there is a stronger philosophy behind it with some people identifying with EDC and companies producing and marketing products to this group. Please keep the article, and expand on it! --Killroy (talk) 21:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Pocket Puke/Vomit

A lot of things people carry could be called "Pocket Puke" because it will include old receipts, movie stubs, lint, and bubble gum wrappers....see website for examples @ Pocket Vomit. So NO, EDC is not what people carry in their pockets mundanely everyday it is very different. Also referred as pocket trash. I hope the links for the website can show a good comparison of what is EDC and what is considered "Pocket Puke"--Neoking (talk) 05:23, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Article Expansion

I have made the article with some supporting references, I know it probably needs clean up and stronger references but please know that EDC is still kinda new and it is closely related to survivalism and preparedness. Please read the Surefire True Stories true stories of Surefire tactical flashlights, you can read about how modern high output flashlights can be used to save life and property. Modern pens are not only for writing and be left in the pockets but to be used defensively as striking weapons of last resort, and this is widely taught by Women Self-Defense, Krav Maga, and law enforcement. We no longer live in a society where we truly believe to rely on first responders for help because complying means giving your fate to a criminal or giving in to fear of a situation. Carrying a knife is not for everyone but people whom carry it find it unimaginable not to have it. Same goes with people who carry a first aid kit with them everyday, they are not crazy they are good samaritan ready for action. EDC and the will to survive and to control the outcome of a bad situation is very similar to the philosophy of Survivalism in that being prepared is better than being caught off guard.

I know people whom carry only their keys and wallets, sometimes cell phones are not included in their daily carry because they believe its an hindrance to productivity and a stressor. But, if they are stranded on the road what device they going to use to call for help? How about those people whom do not carry a time piece and does not know the time of day and does not care for it? Anyone know someone whom carries a knife? Ask them if they carry everyday, then ask them how often they use the knife, and if they will consider not carrying it. There are people whom take action, people whom take no action, and people whom cry for help. Which one are you? --Neoking (talk) 22:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Things that should not be included on the common items list

I have finished reading the history of the article when it was still a stub. PLEASE do not include wallet and condoms into the EDC. Yes, those are essentials in a way.......but not necessary to be listed. If you live on the ranch you do not carry those two items mentioned. If you work as a forestry ranger or game warden there is no need to carry those two items just your uniform and badge. I know I am not listing other common items usually found on a teenager's pants like cigarettes, drugs, and porn. I will say it before some joker lists them as EDC because they probably not going to discuss it on the discussion page and it will be quickly be edited. Sunglasses and prescription glasses will not be listed either because one is a fashion accessory and the other is a medical condition and both can be lived without just like before their invention. Also I know keys will be a debated item, so I went ahead and listed as key chain and what ever is attached to the keys for useful purposes. Also belts and firearms shouldn't be on the common items list because one is a clothing accessory and the other is not a normal thing to carry. Another thing that should never be considered is zombies or similar non realistic threats and doomsday scenarios, you have higher chance of getting attacked by a rabid squirrel and stuck in a winter storm than a run in with a mythical monster.

I debated with others about HYGIENE Mindset for EDC, but this probably should not be included since Hygiene sometimes is not viewed as appropriate or taken seriously enough to be listed. It will draw too much criticism and jokers trying to insert funny items into the article. For the record the mindsets listed have no reference but made with common sense. I made this article because of experience, understanding survivalism concept, read a lot of tactical articles, strong will for self preservation and personally know people whom EDC with a purpose. I know my references are a bit weak since EDC only been a recent thing, but I hope in the near future someone else can come and connect the dots. --Neoking (talk) 20:52, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

On that note, is this really something that happens?

;Team support: Those whose partner(s) or team members carry a weapon of some kind, may carry a first aid kit or extra ammunition as support in case of incident or accident.

I've never heard of anyone do this and really comes off to me as something from a video game. Even if it isn't, I can't imagine two people sticking together at all times and being in a situation where a partner carrying extra ammunition is warranted or even practical. 174.76.23.19 (talk) 16:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

If it's not in the sources or uncited, eliminate it. Jojalozzo 19:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

"Also belts and firearms shouldn't be on the common items list because one is a clothing accessory and the other is not a normal thing to carry." This is a list of COMMON ITEMS. Firearms are a COMMON ITEM amongst those who partake in EDC. Knives, flashlights, pens, etc., aren't normal things for most people to carry either. I don't know anybody who carries a pen outside of work. Your opinion about what is and isn't a "normal thing to carry" is irrelevant. MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 02:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Another thing I forgot to mention: you said that you created the article to document survivalism and the preference for self-preservation, but for some ungodly reason, want to exclude firearms. That's highly inconsistent. MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 02:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Revise the introduction?

I'd really like to make some changes to the introduction of this article. There are quite a lot of little grammatical mistakes in the first few paragraphs and some rather unusual sentences. There are also lots of strong assertions which I think would be better replaced with a discussion of the different viewpoints out there. What follows is my suggestion for what the introduction could look like. Depending on feedback I'll either rethink, abandon or implement my version. I'll also come up with some citations if my version is deemed an improvement:

"Everyday carry (EDC) or Every Day Carry refers to various tools, equipment and supplies that are worn or carried by someone on a daily basis to help them tackle situations ranging from the mundane to the disastrous. The term EDC also refers to the philosophy or attitude of 'preparedness' that goes along with the selection and carrying of these items.

EDC items will normally fit in a pocket, or small pack, or be attached to clothing. Emphasis is placed on the usefulness, accessibility and reliability of these items. The core elements of a typical EDC might include a folding pocket knife, a flashlight and a multi-tool. These items will often be collected into a pack or organizer.

There is a spectrum of situations for which an EDC might be devised which range from the predictable and mundane to the rare and serious. Some EDCers focus very much on unthreatening, day-to-day situations and are principally interested in ways to efficiently organize common items like pens, keys, cell phones and cash/credit cards. However, the EDC mindset leans towards tackling problems or dealing with challenges so it would be rare to find an EDC which didn't also include tools of some kind, such as a Swiss Army knife or Multi-tool. In addition, many EDCs will include some provision for tackling less common situations or emergencies, such as an injury or finding oneself lost or stranded. Thus, an EDC kit could include an emergency whistle, a way to start a fire or a first-aid kit.

Some EDCers include personal protection in their thinking when selecting items. Their EDC kits may include small firearms, knives suitable for defence or items such as pens which can also function as kubotans.

At the far end of the spectrum of emergencies which one might consider when devising an EDC are major disasters, such as those for which one might construct a Bug-out bag. Or beyond that, a few EDCers are also survivalists who might envisage a longer-term breakdown of society. However the typical EDC emphasis is on dealing with day-to-day challenges combined with some preparedness for more common emergencies such as injury, outdoor survival or personal protection.

Frequently the kinds of pocket knives, flashlights and other items selected for EDCs will be at the more expensive end of the range. They may also be items designed for so-called 'tactical' use, meaning that they were designed for military, police or similar organizations. The justification for the expense and the 'tactical' bias of many EDC kits is that these are items which might be carried for long periods of time before they are finally required, at which time they will be called upon to perform in extreme situations. The thinking is that these are circumstances under which EDCers might regret choosing inferior or budget items. The converse argument can also be made, arriving at the same conclusion, in that items used everyday and routinely relied upon will also need to be of superior construction if they are to survive the regular demands placed upon them.

But there are also some who note that a fashion element could also influence EDC selection. 'Tactical' flashlights and designer pocket knives will tend to look far 'cooler' than the cheaper equivalents which might work equally well in certain situations. The term 'Mall Ninja' has been coined for someone who may have no legitimate need for 'tactical' clothing or equipment but who nevertheless gets some satisfaction from acquiring the trappings of, and perhaps fantasising about the life led by, those for whom the clothing or equipment was designed." Warraqeen (talk) 13:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

YES, I did kind of rush through the intro trying to save the article from deletion. No one took the stub seriously and was prone to vandalism and trollers if you look at its history. The word "cooler" can be replaced with "more sophisticated". I like your intro its pretty good, but can you keep the CCW (Carrying Concealed Weapon and Open Carry) since having a license to carry a weapon or just carrying one everyday will be considered EDC. Another thing is to keep the reference on clothing to expand EDC carrying options like fanny pack, day pack, briefcase, and purses all is part of EDC because it gives more flexibility and many of them nowadays are made for tactical purposes with easy weapon access or hidden compartments. An article will always needs improvement and be adaptable just like real EDC so you are welcome to help clean up and improve the article. Thanks Warrageen. Neoking (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I've done as you suggested, Neoking, with one little exception. I think it's always good to put in an opposing viewpoint, so I split that last, critically-minded paragraph out into a separate 'criticism' section. And for that reason, I left the term 'cool' in because I think it captures the sort of accusation detractors might level at some EDCers. But let me know if you - or anyone else - disagrees. Warraqeen (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

EDC Troll (Vandalism)

-	You will be tracked

User with IP 144.92.213.71 (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC) and 66.191.112.127 (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC) from Madison, Wisconsin has been targeting this article with multiple nonconstructive criticism and leaves no explanation for his negative comments. He has been cited and warned by other editors for vandalism and he deleted those comments from his Discussion page (see View History). Tracked this user through multiple blogs and forums and he/she has been leaving nasty comments and pretty much just trolling/flaming/hater.

• User with IP 144.92.213.71 again on July 27th vandalized the talk page and deleted another user's response. This same person even tried to delete this whole article just look at his history and you will find he has been vandalizing Wikipedia every time. Will keep track of his IP and his other IPs he signs on with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoking (talk • contribs) 07:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

ETC Comments

This article is INCREDIBLY poorly written. It seems that whoever took the time to write it speaks English as a second language, or simply does not know simple grammar. I appreciate the idea behind this article, and carry a Spyderco knife and 4sevens flashlight every day, among other things. However, for this to be viewed as a real legitimate page, it severely need A)To be completely rewritten with proper grammar and coherent sentence structure and B) Legitimate references! I don't see a single reference that is from an admissible source. Forum posts and product websites are not an academic source!!!

Sorry for the criticism, but I hope that it can lead to some sorely needed improvements. Until then, I believe it will be viewed by the Wikipedia community as a joke, and rightfully so. As an avid EDC'er, I hope that this can become a legit source of information, like so many other Wikipedia pages.

Thanks, Jon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.46.130.74 (talk) 05:56, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Dear, Jon.......It appears that your discussion is poorly written because it does not follow normal formatting. You did not sign your comment, you put your comment on top of everyone's, and forgot to actually "READ" the article and the sources. You also took the time to insult everyone whom ever helped in writing the article by saying you are superior in the English language in every respect. Your non-constructive negative critisism does nothing to help the article other than show your lack of interest in actually looking up on the sources I have cited.

Will you call MDTS Training to be a legitimate academic source?http://mdtstraining.com/AStudentsGuidetoEveryDayCarryforPersonalProtection.pdf They train law enforcement and the military and they are registered with the Department of Defense - DUNS#139155613, CAGE#55G52. http://mdtstraining.com/

There are other elite training academies like Gunsite Training Center http://www.gunsite.com/main/ and Thunder Ranch http://www.thunderranchinc.com/ and even tough their training is mostly on EDC firearms, they will tell you to also carry a last ditch backup weapon the trusty pocket knife for CQB (Close Quarter Combat). I cannot use their materials as a reference source because they are not readily available online, they are copyrighted or not openly published, and cost lots of money for formal training.

And YES, Jon your negative criticism will help the article a lot by making sure sources are cited correctly. You must also know all articles in Wikipedia is a work in progress due to the fact it is a volunteer community based project. Jon you FAIL to see this....but cheer up I am sure your English skills will definitely come in handy! Neoking (talk) 07:59, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Neoking, I understand it's annoying when someone offers strong criticism, but I do think we need to do our best to all be civil and friendly about this. That's my view, anyway. Warraqeen (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Jon, could you give some specific examples of the poor writing you mentioned and I'll do my best to sort it out. I wrote the first half dozen paragraphs of the article and I thought they were free from mistakes. Would really appreciate some greater detail so I can see where I'm going wrong. And I appreciate the point about references. It's tricky to find what you refer to as academic sources for something that's a small social phenomenon. In a sense, it's occurring because of the exact forums and blogs mentioned here so it's awkward if linking to those places doesn't 'count'. Have you got any suggestions for what sort of references might be more acceptable? Warraqeen (talk) 07:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Someone saying an article is poorly written. Hmmm. Well articles start as stubs, things get added, and if you are able to edit a talk page then you are able to re-write the parts in the article that you think are poorly written. That is why wiki is great. You can specialize on what you like and dabble. At the moment I'm mainly updating articles with photos and adding links but rather than critizing how an article how about trying to re-write it? Just saying. Johnscotaus (talk) 06:00, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

EDC is not new its as old as when the first caveman decided to carry a club everyday or cavewoman a bone hairpin on their hair. The hairpin can be a multitool for food preparation, needlework, hair support, and etc. Its a Wiki Stub, people try hard to expand the article as volunteers and are met with criticism and constant deletion. Please use Talk section and have a civil productive discussion before deleting other volunteers work. Neoking (talk) 19:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Removed refs

• Acker, Amelia; Carter, Daniel (2018). "Pocket Preppers: Performing Preparedness with Everyday Carry Posts on Instagram". Proceedings of the 9th International Conference on Social Media and Society - SMSociety '18. SMSociety '18. Copenhagen, Denmark: ACM Press: 207–211. doi:10.1145/3217804.3217913. ISBN 9781450363341.
• Tiidenberg, Katrin; Whelan, Andrew (2017-04-03). "Sick bunnies and pocket dumps: "Not-selfies" and the genre of self-representation". Popular Communication. 15 (2): 141–153. doi:10.1080/15405702.2016.1269907. ISSN 1540-5702.

It's unclear if these refs belong here, or verify the information. --Hipal (talk) 17:37, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

What is this article about?

Is the subject of this article the focus of the EDC culture or something larger? --Hipal (talk) 18:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I think this needs more

I’m surprised there isn’t even a mention of where this term came from and what gave rise to this even being “a thing.” I see it all over IG ads and when I asked someone what it was all about in a comment, they acted like I was some kind of interloper in their personal world. Alexandermoir (talk) 02:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)