Talk:Ewen Cameron (banker)
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[edit]This article says he is David Cameron's great-grandfather, while David Cameron says great-great-grandfather. Which is it? --Saforrest (talk) 22:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Poor sourcing
[edit]The claim that Ewen Cameron was ...
- "A great-great-grandson of John Cameron of Fassiefern (1698-1785), 2nd son of the 18th Lochiel" is neither verified nor supported by the given link.[1].
The claim that Ewen Cameron's grandfather was
- "James Cameron (born 1776), younger son of Allan Cameron (born 1743), whose brother was Sir Ewen Cameron (created a baronet in 1815)" is neither verified nor supported by the given link.[2]
Until these specific claims are properly supported by reliable sources they shouldn't be included in the article.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 22:29, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- The cited page of Burke's Peerage (p. 655) does not support the claim that the grandfather of Ewen Cameron was the brother of "Sir Ewen Cameron (cr. a baronet in 1815)".[3].--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- The cited image from Twitter does not support support the claim that Ewen was granted arms from the Lord Lyon, it certainly doesn't support the claim that "received a grant of arms from the College of Arms in lieu of his ancient Cameron arms.[4]--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- The illustration shows the undifferenced arms of Cameron of Lochiel, but the provided blazon Gules three bars Or is a different shield. The image should be omitted, at least until a correct illustration is found. Moreover the arms emblazoned at the Twitter link include four bezants in chief, neither mentioned nor shown here.—Odysseus1479 02:31, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah. It seems that Ewen was granted arms. But they aren't the ones that were shown in the article, and the twitter picture doesn't say who granted them. The article actually claimed claimed that they were "matriculation with Lord Lyon King of Arms" and that Ewen "received a grant of arms from the College of Arms". All sourced from a single picture.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 03:41, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- BTW it appears that Gules three bars Or belong to the current Lochiel;
I don’t know when they changed. The two-bars version was registered in 1795 but I believe it’s much older. (AIUI the original Lyon Court roll was lost in a fire in the XVI c., and many bearers of ancient arms didn’t bother to re-register until much later, if at all.)—Odysseus1479 03:05, 21 July 2015 (UTC) P.S. This excerpt from Tak Tent indicates that the register was updated in 1934 with a “doquet” amending the arms to three bars. More relevantly, the piece also discusses Sir Ewan‘s arms & pedigree. Unfortunately this reprint doesn’t indicate which issue it came from, but it might be possible to track down in order to provide a better reference than the Twitter feed.—Odysseus1479 03:44, 21 July 2015 (UTC)- ScotlandsPeople has a list from the 'Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland' from 1672 until 1913. I searched for 'Cameron' and found a certain "EWEN CAMERON OF INVERNESS AND OF HAMPSTEAD", dated "01/07/1905", volume "18", record number "30". I can't see what it says for free. That's probably him though.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
- BTW it appears that Gules three bars Or belong to the current Lochiel;
- Yeah. It seems that Ewen was granted arms. But they aren't the ones that were shown in the article, and the twitter picture doesn't say who granted them. The article actually claimed claimed that they were "matriculation with Lord Lyon King of Arms" and that Ewen "received a grant of arms from the College of Arms". All sourced from a single picture.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 03:41, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- The illustration shows the undifferenced arms of Cameron of Lochiel, but the provided blazon Gules three bars Or is a different shield. The image should be omitted, at least until a correct illustration is found. Moreover the arms emblazoned at the Twitter link include four bezants in chief, neither mentioned nor shown here.—Odysseus1479 02:31, 19 July 2015 (UTC)