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Good Article nomination is on Hold

I have put this article on hold for Good Article Status.

if the following concerns are addressed in a week's time, this article will be approved for GA status.

This article is well on its way to being GA material. There are just some things that bug me about it:

• Some sentences are random and misplaced:
  • "The main plot revolves around Naota's exploits with Haruko, and are more an exploration of Naota's adolescent coming of age."
  • "The series has been broadcast on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim block numerous times, starting in August of 2003 - the first time it was broadcast on American network television."
• both of the above sentences contain good information, but both appear at the end of their respective sections as if they were randomly tacked on. The second sentence does not belong in the introduction.
• The fourth entry in Production Trivia is repeated information which is already present in the style section. pick one place for this information.
• much of this article needs to be cited, inline, with ref tags. Especially the trivia section.

The Talking Sock talk contribs 17:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I have failed this article for WP:GA for the following reason: it is unstable - too many substantive edits in the past 7 days. Please consider renomination a week after the WP:AID edit frenzy has stopped. - Davodd 18:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

FA

I'm attempting to bring this whole category up to FA status, or die trying. Here's what we have and what we need. -Litefantastic 16:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you, and would like to help out in whatever way I can. This article does need a lot of work, but I think it can reach FA status. Blademaster313 04:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Right on! I've also added Items and Concepts of FLCL, which, hopefully, can be used to explain what the hell is going on. Assuming that's possible. :) -Litefantastic 23:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Litefantastic, are your going to be updating your table here? I find it really useful and I would like to know what else has to be done. Thanks. Blademaster313 02:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I second that. The table is extremely useful. I would do it myself however I would be a little hazy on the exact status and needs of each page. --Gunblade ^(dicemus) 19:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

No, but I'll do so now. -Litefantastic 00:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Name	Status	Needs
Episodes
Fooly Cooly	Whole, needs light reworking to remove residual feel of oddness	Tinkering to better encompass the subject. Remember: this is the episode that shoves everything down our throats, and the other five are largely to help us understand.
FireStarter	Whole	The "analysis" section should probably be either rewritten or shafted.
Marquis de Carabas (FLCL)	Whole	Light tinkering
Full Swing	Whole	A picture or two
Brittle Bullet	Whole; needs polishing	A picture of Kamon as a Nazi. This one moment probably ties the South Park sequence later in the episode for Weirdest Moment, and we need to commemorate that. Also, please clarify: "Unfortunately, the violent nature of the N.O. traps both Naota and Mamimi high atop a towering robot."
FLCLimax	Whole	Needs pictures
Albums
Addict (soundtrack)	Pretty much set	Could possibly be made longer
King of Pirates	Complete but too short	Needs an explanation on the radio dramas and the picture from the back of the album. The soundtracks are being ignored in this movement of ours.
FLCL No. 3	Unclear	Probably could use some light editorial work
Templates
Template:FLCL	Pretty good	May not require any further work.
Template:FLCL-ep	Finished!	I'm open to suggestions, but it looks good to me.
Other
FLCL	On its way	Needs to be better structured and have more international information. And more pictures, too. READ: Wikipedia:Peer review/FLCL/archive1
Characters of FLCL	Done?	Tinkering can never hurt, but this looks good.
Items and Concepts of FLCL	A lot of work	Probably the weakest article in the series. Needs a little bit of everything. Someone suggested a section on cats, too. Caution: This article is not intended to be a repository of symbolism - it is simply supposed to explain some of the things that go by too fast for the casual viewer to see.

The Ending

Is anyone sure about what the ending suggests, other than Naota's coming of age? Naota tells Haruko that he loves her, but I'm not sure if these are his or Atomsk's feelings. Haruko leaves her bass with Naota suggesting that she won't look for anyone else to help her find Atomsk. Has she given up on looking for Atomsk, or does she plan to return to Naota when he's older? Does this suggest that she has feelings for Naota? I thought that I had a good idea of what it all meant for a while, but after watching FLCL again, several times, I've been thinking about it more and I'm even more confused. 87th 19:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. The confusion you are experiencing, as near as I can figure out, is the true meaning of FLCL. It is vital to the spirit of FLCL that we have some people say "I don't get it!" so that those who are amused by it can respond, "There's nothing to get." --Yar Kramer 20:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm very familiar with the 'open ending', but I was wondering if there was something I had missed out on. Obviously not.87th 22:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Eh, I disagree, what do you mean nothing 'to' get? No one can really know, and regardless of what authors intend, characters are independant of it. Let's surmise! I don't think it was Atomsk's feelings, because Naota obviously had feelings for her throughout the series, plus Atomsk has never really shown any interest (or knowledge) or her prior to then. He changed back into Naota from Atomsk to tell her his feelings, so they're his... I'm not sure if she'll come back. I doubt she'll leave him forever, but probably wants some more adventures before checking in, much like her prior eyebrows friend.Tyciol 07:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I think the ending just says everyone goes their separate ways and life goes on. Haruko may have feelings for Naota (she smiles and gets a little flustered when he says "I love you") but she's not ready to give up her rouge lifestyle for him, and she knows that he's too young to go with her. She leaves for the same reason she came: pursuit of Atomsk. And Naota goes back to his "ordinary" life. I think it'd make a great sequel/second series to have Haruko come back when Naota is an adult. She apparently had been to Earth once before when Amarao was a kid. It'd be interesting to see how different Naota turns out from Amarao, and how different he would react to Haruko coming back. I think that's what Haruko is hinting at when she says "You're still a kid, Takkun. Save it for next time." But until they make a sequel (which they probably won't), we'll just have to accept it as the end of the adventure. It's kind of sad that Haruko and Mamimi both leave Naota, but he learns that he's not as alone as he thought he was. The scene with Ninamori and the boys getting drinks at the bridge shows that they have taken the place of Mamimi in his life.

Also, throughout the series Naota keeps his room very neat and tidy when Haurko isn't around, but the very last scene shows his room to be pretty messy months or possibly even years after Haurko left. Plus, it shows Naota plucking a note on Haruko's bass, as if showing an interest in learning to use it. The series more or less portrayed Amarao and Haruko as two opposing role models-- one embracing a "right brain" way of thinking and one embracing a "left brain" way of thinking. I think this last scene is showing us that Naota is headed down the path of becoming like Haruko.--68.188.66.195 08:04, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I always thought that Haruko giving the Bass to Naota was a sign of her giving up on looking for Atomsk. She can't access the N.O. in someone's head without it (or am I wrong?). Doesn't the end show the bass string moving without anyone touching it? I don't know what that would signify. I think the scene of Naota hanging around with his classmates signifies him moving on from Tasuku and Mamimi, and finally being able to have fun with people his own age. Up until this he always looks a bit out of place until he's talking to Haruko. 87th 22:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it shows Naota acting like the kid that he is, rather than an adult.

I don't think that Haruko really needs to access the N.O. in anyone's head to track down Atomsk. That was all Medical Mechanica's doing. Haurko was just more or less helping it along, because she knew it'd be a lot easier to get to Atomsk whenever they got done building whatever they were using his power to build. (That's my assumption anyway. I don't fully understand all of that.) Besides, she doesn't leave guitar-less. She takes Naota's Flying V and Atomsk's Gibson EB-0 (which somehow in their fight merged into one dual guitar.) In the end, they don't show Naota playing the last note. I guess it's possible that it's just a weird quirk they decided to end the show on, but I always just assumed he's lying on the bed where we can't see him. I figured they did it because they wanted to add to the dramatic/comical/weirded-out impact by surprising us with it on the very last second.

For some strange and off the wall looks at stuff that happened after the last episode, look up the translations to the drama tracks on the second soundtrack. They're all pretty heavy pieces of "let's not make sense for a while," but they're interesting, to say the least.--68.188.66.195 06:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The whole "left/right brain" thing above got me thinking on why Haruko can only use Naota instead of Amarao or Kamon. Naota is shown in both ways of thinking at different points in the series, while the other two never alter in their thinking (Amarao is always logical while Kamon can be as erratic as Haruko). The fact that Naota is suitable for using an N.O. portal and has much more potential than either of them might reflect this. JONJONAUG 16:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Userboxing

For those of us with userboxes, I've created this:

FLCLThis user's head is an N.O. channel.

which you can add to your user page or talk page either with {{User FLCL}}, or, if you are using a 'filing box', such as the one from Wikipedia:Babel, you can just add it with "|FLCL|"; see my user page for an example of this. -Litefantastic 20:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

FLCL.gif

Image:Flcl.gif is a little big to put on this article.. if I do say so myself.
Does anyone agree?--Isequals 22:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Not only do I agree, I think we really don't need an animation to begin with. --Yar Kramer 07:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

That, and it has a DivX watermark. Should we remove it? --Isequals 22:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

If you mean the whole image, yeah. If you just mean the watermark ... I don't think it's possible. --Yar Kramer 00:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I, too, agree that the gif is superfluous. It's a pain for people with slow computers, and it doesn't add anything encylcopedic to the article. I think I deleted maybe five similar gifs out of articles on characters from Beast Wars merely because of the long load time and the fact that the image is not that important to the article. Ryulong 21:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

So god damn. I guess I'll finally remove it. Sheesh. --Isequals 07:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

But that gif was the coolest thing about the FLCL article :( --SeizureDog 22:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hamtaro

When does the anime ever make a reference to Hamtaro? I'm not sure why that's in there...so if no one speaks up I'll remove it. Tyciol 20:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I beleive there is an audible reference to it by one of the characters, or perhaps a plush that appears in the background. Something like that. I'll watcha few episodes and keep an eye out for it. --Isequals 03:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Episode 6; Kamon tentions it just as everything starts falling apart in the background. -Litefantastic 16:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, just before the terminal core eats Miya-jun's car, Kamon mentions Hamtaro. Parrot Fish 02:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hamtaro is the name he gave to the hamster. He says early in the chapter that the hamster -class pet- died when he was 12, and it was his fault but he was too young. In spanish versions of FL CL they translate that as "Hamsty". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.43.35.104 (talk • contribs) .

OK I'm sorry, I'm not signed in that's why I didn't signed. Mi count is in the spanish wikipedia (RoRo) and in the english wikipedia it's already taken, and I don't want to have different names in the different wikipedias (and I only speak spanish really :P) --200.43.35.104 21:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Reception Section

This reception bit is just plain odd. It only talks about IMDb ratings, as if that's the most valid way to judge. It reads: The reception for the series, although not widespread in the United States, has been enthusiastic. As of April 2006, the shoes has cleared the 1,250 vote barrier on the IMDb (which classifies it as an OVA rather than a TV show) with a rating of 8.8 out of 10. If it qualified for the IMDb Top 250 (which it does not: despite having enough votes, miniseries, TV shows and video releases do not qualify) it would place between fourth and sixth on the list. We don't know at all that it would qualify around 5th place since there are literally hundreds of other shows/miniseries/video releases that might beat it out. I think this section should be deleted and replaced with something a little more thought out. Zepheus 05:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• I noticed that as well. However, I went ahead and deleted that comment for a different reason. Only votes from the top 1000 voters are counted for the top 250, and the top 1000 voters' score is a mere 6.8 right now, not nearly good enough to put itself into the top 250, let alone the top 10. (The 250th movie has a top voters' score of 7.4 atm btw)--SeizureDog 22:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure that only the Top 1000 voters have say over the Top 250. I can't find that stated anywhere. -- Zepheus (talk • contribs).

Ok, maybe I'm wrong about how they system actually works, as it's confusing. But the score to get on the 250 is different from the straight score I know that. quick example. Has an 8.0, but not on the top 250. So yeah, other factors involved, so I perfer to just say that it's based on the top 1000 voters. At least you can still see that score. --SeizureDog 19:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The editor was speculating. Remember, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -- ReyBrujo 01:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Who are you telling that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball? Zepheus 06:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I thought that was clear. "The editor", as a reply to "I can't find that stated anywhere.". In other words, the editor who added that paragraph to the article. -- ReyBrujo 00:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Manga

I think the page on FlCl (manga) should probably be made into a redirect here. The manga is covered (inadiquately, but succinctly) on this page, and that article is a little rough-hewn. -Litefantastic 23:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Ding ding ding....

Is it just me, or is the dinging at the railroad crossing (in the episode one and probably elsewhere) the same sound clip from EVA (I don't remember exactly where -- it has been awhile)? Could someone confirm this; I think it would make for good trivia. Dan 21:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

"EVA"? -Litefantastic 22:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Neon Genesis Evangelion. --Yar Kramer 01:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, it certainly reminds me of the clip you hear all the time in EVA, but its not necessarily the same clip, just a recording of the same trains, which are all over Japan, and like trains in most countries, have a similar sound to let everyone know that "Hey, a train is coming." Films shot in the US that have train sounds will all have the same train sounds, for instance. I don't know if its valid trivia or not.

Also, I think I've heard the same sound in Lain, and a few others too... The chirping cicada sound (reee, reee, reeeeeeee) is another one that I hear in a lot of anime, Lain and EVA, for example. They may or may not be the same clip, but are certainly recordings of the same thing. Phidauex 02:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

All movies, TV shows, and video games often use sound effects from the same pool. Very few actually bother to record their own effects. Unless a SFX is as famous as the Wilhelm scream there's really no reason to mention it at all. --SeizureDog 21:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Gainax tends to reuse a lot of their sound effects, some of which are just recorded from actual sources, so I agree that it shouldn't be mentioned in the article. 67.160.30.127 01:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

FLIctonic KLIpple Waver Syndrome

In the manga version of FLCL, Haruko diagnoses Naota with FLIctonic KLIpple Waver Syndrome, whuch she claims is "a purely psychological adolescent epidermal ossifying syndrome." She later admits that she made this up, but I see it is called "Flictonic Clipple Weber Syndrome" in the anime. Is there any significance to this change of name? Mayuko 16:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Prolly just the fact that the manga and anime had different translators. She pretty much says that about the syndrome in the anime, too. Sort of. --Yar Kramer 17:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Well that syndrome do exists, in the anime version they spelled it correctly, you can find information here: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2006/MB_cgi?mode=&term=Klippel-Trenaunay-Weber+Syndrome

It's not "Flictonic" as Haruko says.

If you understand spanish, you can find that same trivia and more here:

http://www.animesubs.org/muestra_subtitulos.php?proyecto=Furi_Kuri