Talk:Feudal barony of Barnstaple

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What happened to the barony after James Audley?[edit]

I was wondering this before you demerged the article from Barnstaple. Did it get split up into smaller and smaller pieces, or was it abolished, or what? —SMALL JIM 11:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know. Sanders's descents end in 1327, a date he deems as marking the end of the true feudal age. I've certainly been wondering that myself. Perhaps you might like to look into it? (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 17:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC))[reply]

There are some articles in old volumes of the Transactions of the Devonshire Association that look promising - I'll check. Is there nothing in Lamplugh? —SMALL JIM 10:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Using two TDA articles, I've brought it down to 1509 (death of Margaret). A related question: is a feudal barony the same as an Honour (feudal barony)? Barnstaple is listed in that article and if they are the same thing, I wonder if this article should be renamed Honour of Barnstaple? What do you think? —SMALL JIM 16:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only probable[edit]

I see from English feudal barony that Sanders listed this as only a "probable" barony. Does this have any significance for this article? —SMALL JIM 15:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can take it that if Sanders deems it "probable" there is very little doubt indeed. He discusses his criteria for inclusion in his intro. There are many more he excluded, but Barnstaple is a big player in this field & although size is not a criterion of itself, he states that de Tracy answered for 56 knight's fees (i.e. sub-manors he held) in 1235. In fact reading Sanders's footnotes for Barnstaple he actually quotes: "Geoffrey de Camville held Maud's lands by service of a barony...", he seems to have been scrupulously over-cautious in not deeming it a certain barony, but any records of payments of feudal relief, the clinching factor he set himself, have not apparently survived. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 17:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Sounds good to me then! But I still wonder if Honour of Barnstaple might be a better title. —SMALL JIM 13:51, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]