Talk:Flags of Europe
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- 1 Flags of Europe#Disputed and unrecognised states
- 2 Criterion for sorting flags
- 3 Catalonia is not an independant state
- 4 NATO flag
- 5 Corsica
- 6 Rubbish "dependencis and autonomous regions" section
- 7 Northern Ireland
- 8 Flag of Macedonia FYROM
- 9 Chaotic dates
- 10 Kosovo vs. Northern Cyprus and others
- 11 Serbia?
- 12 Date for date section
- 13 Italian regions?
- 14 Nordic council
- 15 Other Russian subdivisions and Ukrainian Oblasts
Is it really necessary to include the flags of Sealand and Seborga? They are micronations, in other words joke states that no one takes seriously (it's also odd that not all other micronations in Europe are included). I also think that the flag of the Republika Srpska is unnecessary as it is a federal unit of Bosnia and Herzegovina. If we include that, then we should include all sixteen States of Germany. Finally, I'm not too sure about the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria; they have no control over Chechnya, so you can hardly call it an unrecognized state.--Rudjek 21:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I support the removal of Republika Srpska as it is a recognized (and we all hope it stays recognized) Serbian state within Bosnia and Herzegovina, and is not in the same position as the other ones. Seborga is just a joke IMO, and Sealand should stay, it is truly an unrecognized state.Velimir85 01:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
- Sealand's flag should stay for a number of reasons:
- Sealand is in Europe so its flag is a flag of Europe.
- It is a national flag used in Europe.
- According to Principality of Sealand, "Sealand's claims to sovereignty and legitimacy are not recognised by any country" so the flag should be included in the disputed/unrecognised section of this article.
- The Government of Sealand describes here how the Principality of Sealand is a nation.
Based on the above reasons, the flag of Sealand should stay in this article. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Criterion for sorting flags
Is there any good explanation to why flags are sorted according to EU membership? All other continent's flag pages are sorted by geographic regions, which in my opinion is far more intuitive than affiliation with an international political organization. I'm inclined to change this unless anyone objects (with a good reason to keep things the way they are now). --Denvesletigeren 15:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- I absolutely agree with you. What does the EU have to do with it? If there had been a similar organisation, with partially the same member states, then how would the page have been organised? No, sorting should of course be based on other things. —22.214.171.124 (talk) 23:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Catalonia is not an independant state
Since Catalonia is not an independant state, its flage should be categorized under "Dependencies and autonomous regions of European Union members in Europe", and not under "Flags of other European nations" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazen Bahhady (talk • contribs) 17:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- The flag of Catalonia has been moved to "Dependencies and autonomous regions of European Union members in Europe" as it is an autonomous region of Spain, an EU member. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I note that Image:Flag of NATO.svg is a non-free image and does not have a fair-use rationale for this article. Therefore, either a rationale needs to be added, or the image pulled from this article. I'll leave that decision to the folks who watchlist this page, if that's ok. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 00:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Should Corsica be added to the 'dependencies & autonomous_regions' category? It's the only territorial collectivity in France, which I'd be inclined to mean it's the French government's way of referring to autonomy. See also subdivisions of France for more. Cheers! --Nocontinental (talk) 07:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Rubbish "dependencis and autonomous regions" section
IMO, it is incorrect to lump regions of federal/pseudo-federal states like Spain with dependencies like Gibraltar.
This section needs a massive editting. I propose a "Flags of European regions" section below the flag of European states and above a revampled "Flags of European Dependencies"
Anyone else have an opinion?
I made a separate category for "first order divisions." I think this is more appropriate. The status of, for example, the Aland Islands with Finland is hardly comparable with that of Aragon in Spain.
I think that someone should add the flags of German and Austrian states and Italian Regions to make this new section more complete, as it is mostly a listing of first order divisions of Spain, the UK, and Italy.
Luis Lopez: I moved the flags of Madeira, Azores and The Canary Islands to the Flags of European sub-divisions as those are full states within their nations and not dependencies or territories. I think there is a tendency from English-speaking editors to consider all islands outside the realm of Europe "territories" as it is a common occurrence in U.S. and Britain. This would be the equivalent as labeling Hawaii as a "territory" though it is a state with full rights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
The flag displayed as that of Northern Ireland is not Northern Ireland's flag. As Northern Ireland has no official flag - see: Flag of Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland flags issue - should the country have an entry on this article at all? The options are:
- 1: Remove the entry for Northern Ireland;
- 2: Retain the Northern Ireland entry, but remove the flag and note that Northern Ireland has no official flag;
- 3: Show both the (UK's) Union flag and the (Irish) Tricolour under Northern Ireland, as equally representative of the country.
Flag of Macedonia FYROM
The Flag of Macedonia is incorrect - the old flag is displayed. I am not prepared enough to edit it well. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
In order to avoid the lack of rigour about dates (for instance, current flag of Spain obviously is legal in its actual form from 1978, not at all 1927, in despite of any other considerations), I suggest to write the "legal date" only, it is, the date when the flag was legally adopted in its current form. So, Catalonia's senyera regained legality in 1979, no matter that it was in formal use since AD 1100 approx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 01:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Kosovo vs. Northern Cyprus and others
The map in the article currently shows the flag of Kosovo, but does not show those of Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. All those "countries" are partly recognized, ie. they are recognized as independent by some nations, and not by others. None of those is recognized as independent by the majority of UN members, and none of them is a member of the UN. So, what is the point of including Kosovo, and not including others? What makes Kosovo more important than Norther Cyprus? I propose we remove the flag of Kosovo from the map until the consensus is reached. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Serbia is not an independent state last I checked. It is an internationally recognized part of Greater Kosovo currently administered by NATO. Please look into this. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- And You checked it where? Vanjagenije (talk) 09:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
- It is well-known like how the is the same as le, la or les in French or that water is wet. Anyone want to do the gruntwork of finding an article for it though? I know some Serbian nationalists tend to get a bit hot under the collar about this issue so please tread carefully. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 18:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Date for date section
What is the criteria for the date added? An example the flag of Wales shows 9 century and the official adoptation was 1959, the flag of Ireland's dates are out of sync with this, adopted 1919 yet the date is 1922, even though the flag is from 19 century origin. If some one could clear this up for me thanks.Murry1975 (talk) 18:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Many Italian regions have official flags (albeit some —i.e. Marche— pretty lame), not only the ones with statuto speciale. I decided to include those which are sanctioned by a regional law in the section about European regions.--Carnby (talk) 15:15, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
They seem to have a new version (since at least 2006) of the flag:
Should it replace the old one in the article? Or they both should be represented? (Then we need to make an SVG for the old one instead of the low-resolution JPEG.) — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 02:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- A new version of the flag was introduced in 2016. See the final page in the design manual for the Nordic Cooperation. The flag does not exclusively belong to The Nordic Council, it is used for The Nordic Cooperation as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2012:21D:6000:48A7:1D40:5D72:1D3F (talk) 11:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)