Talk:Four discourses

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New Material[edit]

I have added some material explaining and illustrating the four discourses, which was originally published on my own website [1]. --RichardVeryard (talk) 15:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Improving this page[edit]

Hello anyone interested,

I find the definitions of the terms in the four discourses extremely deficient. The definition of master signifier is at best non-informative and at worst totally misleading. I wonder whether there ought to be an entry for Lacan's algebra or whether to simply have a crack at a definitive reading here, because the whole point of the discourses is pedagogy, and no one will walk away from this article with a better idea of what they mean.


edit: I should add I'm no pro at editing wikipedia...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottlenn (talkcontribs) 12:27, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: recent edit. I have added a small section explaining the necessity for the four discourses, which ought to become more detailed later, and listed out the names of the positions within the discourse form. Basically, the operation is going to take longer than I expected and I don't have time at the moment. It would be a great help if someone could find or create an image showing the four positions and four discourses as well, as I could not track one down on Google images and find GIMP frustrating to deal with. What ought to come next is an explanation of the movements within the discourses and better explanations for the terms, or in the case of the S1, possibly its own page. Also, as much as I love Mozart, I'm not entirely sure the bit about Don Giovanni is helping anyone.

Scottlenn (talk) 13:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


At the moment, the article reads '...he starts using "discourse" as a social bond founded in intersubjectivity.' I couldn't cite anything off hand, but I seem to think that is totally wrong. Intersubjectivity refers to Lacan's earlier idea of communication, which social bond theory, represented by the four discourses, replaces. Intersubjectivity implies an autonomy remaining to the subjects which does not correspond to Lacan's psychoanalytical insight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottlenn (talkcontribs) 12:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)