|WikiProject Linguistics / Phonetics||(Rated Start-class, Mid-importance)|
- The problem is that the great majority of these sounds simply don't exist in English, or for that matter in any language that the typical English speaker knows much about. I'll see what I can do, though. —RuakhTALK 20:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
These IPA symbols are a bad joke. Almost no one knows what they mean...
They are a total waste of time...complete gibberish. Just because some Esperanto lingo freak who can speak old high Frisian is able to decipher this useless overly-technical code...
You don't have to treat the whole world with politically correct solutions. What you do have to do...is communicate. These IPA symbols communicate zero to the incredible vast majority of just plain all of us.
English is spoken as a 2nd language by so much of the world that, expecting those who don't know English to learned it--in order to properly understand the phonetics-- this isn't nearly so bad a global strain as expecting just freaking everyone to learn an IPA--that they will never actually use in this life.
As for Wikipedia...if a person can't read English well enough to understand the phonetics, then that person isn't reading en-wiki... Instead, they are reading the wiki particular to their own language...and that language--whatever it may be--has it's own phonetics to show essential pronunciation of other words.
SO, you see, although your IPA decision was politically correct...it's it, nothing more...it's just wrong given every other consideration under the sun.
Wise up and stop outsmarting yourself.
Chumps Fools Turkeys Stooges
I've just no respect for spineless ill-conceived decision--made simply because the PC-bigot would have a chit-fit otherwise.
Coronal or apical ?
I don't understand why the letter "s" is listed both as "coronal" and "apical" sibilant -- especially when both of these link to the same article: voiceless alveolar fricative; and the same sound sample. Apparently, they are one and the same. Yes, no ? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 04:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Quite distinct, take a look at coronal consonant and apical consonant. /s/ can be apical but may also be laminal (etc.) (some languages even contrast an apical and a laminal one), but it is, by definition, coronal (alveolar is a subset of coronal). As for the articles, the apical and laminal etc. varieties just don't have their separate articles. As for the list, it does look rather confusing. It would be good to have appropriate sound files to illustrate the IPA notation. --JorisvS (talk) 14:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)