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- 1 Photo
- 2 Short History
- 3 Cela
- 4 Roman use of the garotte
- 5 Link does not work anymore
- 6 Question about term
- 7 Bond films
- 8 Spanish focus
- 9 80 Freemasons were garroted in Málaga... Are you sure?
- 10 Don't think the current photo shows the garrote very well
- 11 No mention of cutting.
As much as I love seeing a still from that scene, is the image of Luca Brasi getting strangled to death appropriate for the article? It doesn't really show the garrotte itself. 126.96.36.199 04:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. It is horrifying and a diagram of the garrotte or something similar would be more appropriate. Since we seem to agree on the matter, I'll remove it. Kyarorain 17:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
On that note, I don't even think the photo of the other man waiting for execution is justified. As I mentioned in the discussion for the stoning article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning), these kinds of photos are a violation of the victim's privacy, which should be more important than illustrating an encyclopedic article. Alternatives are: to black out the victim's face, to replace the photo with a drawing, or to link to the photo in External Links (which only marginally corrects the problem).Nojamus (talk) 14:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The victim's privacy? That guy was offed 113 years ago - who in the hell would give two shits about that photo now? A. Not even his most distant relatives — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
` The Philippines "garroting" -- Garrote Execution - 1901.png -- appears to be from a series of staged stereographs taken for the Underwood & Underwood publishing company of New York City.
The University of California has another image from this series, with the man about to be 'executed' clowning in the chair, see http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt096nb684/?&brand=calisphere
Much of this section is devoted to executions in Spain and not the actual history of garroting, I don't know if anybody else thinks it should be removed, it just reads poorly.
The article also seems not to address criminal use of the garrote except a brief mention of use by assasins. I don't know if it's reputation for use in organized crime is warranted, but I think it should be addressed, either with a mention of its use or a note that the reputation isn't warranted, whichever is the case. Matveiko 20:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Advocating Torture and Slavery?
I think the following line should be altered:
- In British criminal law, garrotte also was a defined type of violent robbery using at least physical threat against the victims. The imposition of a punishment comprising flagellation in addition to penal servitude was successful in almost eliminating it in the 19th century.
This line, with no evidence, seems to be implying that torture ("flagellation") and slavery ("penal servitude") eliminate crime. That is not an established fact (and, in fact, I suspect, is actually wrong), and there is no citation to support this claim, which implicitly advocates violations of the International Declaration of Human Rights and other such documents and therefore ought to be held to a particularly high standard of proof. What do y'all think? Metrodorus
- I've waited about a half day. No one has objected to my proposed edit. I am going to change the main article to eliminate references to the salutary effects of "flagellation" and "penal servitude." Metrodorus
I heard that Camilo José Cela managed to acquire what he was told was the last used garrote of the Spanish penal system. It is on show at the Cela Foundation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 13:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- If you can find a reliable citation or reference for that, then go ahead and add it to the article. If its just something you heard, then other readers and editors have no way of knowing whether its true or just here-say. See Wikipedia:Verifiability for more information. Wikipedia:Citing sources explains how to cite the reference if you find one. Ollie 13:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Roman use of the garotte
I'm not expert on the history of the garotte, but I remember when reading the about the Cataline conspiracy that various people were sent to the Tullianum in Rome and were killed with a Laqueus which as I recall is generally translated as a garotte. There is no mention of any use in this article before the middle ages, although clearly as such a simple instrument the garotte is bound to have been used by ancients. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Purestgreen (talk • contribs) 08:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
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Link does not work anymore
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Question about term
I was under the impression that to "Garrote" someone was to slit their throat? Or in some other way damage their throat to prevent them from breathing, but not strangulation in exact? Morbid subject I know, I'm curious though as it seems to when used as an adjective it describes a bleeding, or freshly cut throat. Is the article improperly named, or?08:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- No. Your impression is wrong.Eregli bob (talk) 10:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Well, as long as you're so sure. Been everywhere, seen everything, huh? Usage is clearly an issue with this terribly edited article - the first assertion is crap: "A garrote ...is a handheld weapon," and then goes on to merely allude to the execution chair -- which, to Neurosynapse's point, RUPTURES the neck. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 08:21, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the list of Bond films in which a garotte machine allegedly appears. Although it is correctly cited as appearing in The World is Not Enough (indeed it's a major plot element), there aren't any to be seen in the other film. And From Russia With Love features the use of a hand-held garotte. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
This is a very interesting article but i think it loses its way a little. Although it's relevant that this technique was used by Spain, from about halfway through the article the focus is almost purely on the history of execution in Spain. DietJustice (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
80 Freemasons were garroted in Málaga... Are you sure?
I am a Spanish citizen and I have never heard anything about this: "In 1935 in Spain the legislature adopted a law prohibiting any member of the armed forces from being a Freemason. As a result of this edict, 80 Freemasons were garroted in Málaga." I sincerelly suspect that the source is not reliable at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:53, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
I have a degree in History and never heard or read anything about a massive execution of freemasons in 1935. Such a notorious event would not go unnoticed in this very much investigated period of Spanish history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:21, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Don't think the current photo shows the garrote very well
I've stared at it a few times and all I see is a big wooden thing. I'm assuming the garrote is on the wooden thing, it might be a similarly-colored string draped somewhere, but the image seems to imply the garrote is the entire structure. I think we need a picture of a garrote curled up on the floor or somehow remove the other props from the picture. --Aabicus (talk) 23:43, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
No mention of cutting.
The piano wire method is also known to cut into the skin, possibly other similarily small diameter devices. Why no mention of this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 13:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)