Talk:Gloria (Vivaldi)

	Classical music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Classical music, which aims to improve, expand, copy edit, and maintain all articles related to classical music, that are not covered by other classical music related projects. Please read the guidelines for writing and maintaining articles. To participate, you can edit this article or visit the project page for more details.Classical musicWikipedia:WikiProject Classical musicTemplate:WikiProject Classical musicClassical music articles
	This article is supported by Compositions task force.

RV Anh. 23

Should Ruggieri's Gloria be moved to a separate article? I have a feeling I should do this, but I fear that it may not pass notability standards on Wikipedia. --DannyDaWriter (talk) 05:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Influence on Bach

The article claims that J. S. Bach's "Gratias Agimus Tibi" from his Mass in B Minor "is similar to the "Domine Deus, Agnus Dei" movement from RV Anh. 23." This seems a bit unlikely, since the "Gratias" of the B Minor Mass is an adaptation (parody) of Bach's own "Wir danken dir, Gott" (BWV 29/2). It would help if the claim were backed up with a citation from the musicological literature. If it's an error, of course, it should be corrected. JayBeder (talk) 16:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)Jay Beder[reply]

late reply: nonsense, Wir danken dir was the model for Gratias, not the other way round. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The statement that “Gratias” is an adaptation of “Wir Danken” is the right way round, then. Freddie Orrell (talk) 22:21, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RV?

For those of us who are not at all familiar with this music, can "RV" numbers be explained or wikilinked to some relevant topic that would make their meaning clear? Thanks, 24.218.26.182 (talk) 04:32, 10 September 2009 (UT Trata-se (RV) do Catálogo das obras de Vivaldi, no entanto, o editor não cita fontes sérias importantes. Os glorias eram, na época de Vivaldi, serviços religiosos de propriedade do contratante (igreja). Os revisores predecessores e posteriores a Rggieri e Vivaldi também evocavam uns aos outros! No mais são trabalhos nitidamente diferentes que dá para notar quando há evocações. Não há plágio, pois ambos trabalharam nos glórias para a igreja era a dona das partituras (e pagava muito bem)! Difere do Caso Bach vs Vivaldi, pois se tratava de copiar/transpor literalmente para outro instrumento algumas obras autorais de Vivaldi! Inclusive a Igreja Romana utiliza na missa de Natal um Glória tão antigo que já é música popular que nem sabemos o autor (na Missa do Galo, de Natal)! Espero ter contribuído! Att, J Sabino

I see the link RV, - no time to check if that came before or after your undated comment. We don't "explain" K. in every article about Mozart's works, not BWV in all Bach-related articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:24, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean? "(five voices and oboes in trombae)"

I've searched Google, and my dictionaries and I checked a translation service. It is not Latin or Italian so what does it mean? Thanks! Also I just fail to see the need to have such terms used in any article. I came here to find out who or what "Gloria" is. I understand that now but who would really care if there was possibly a lost version written 400+ years ago even if it did just possibly have a section in "trombae"? BrianAlex (talk) 05:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the intro to have a link to the Gloria hymn, BrianAlex, which may be what you want to know about. Vivaldi is a famous composer, so even is lost music interests scholars and others, and the phrase is all we have. Normally tromba means trumpet, so the plural trombae means trumpets, but what the expression "in trombae" means I don't know. Oboes substituting for trumpets? Trumpets are often used by other composers to serve the character of heavenly Glory, such as Bach in the Mass in B minor, and Handel in Messiah. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Gloria Image

This 1901 image that is in the Gloria in excelsis Deo article (but not as the lead) is featured and I think we should use this as the main image for this article. Another option would be this, a slightly older one from 1895, however this one is not featured. For the main image, should I add the featured one, the slightly older one, a different one, or nothing? Wikieditor662 (talk) 02:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that 1900s style has nothing to do with Vivaldi. When you want to link to an image, you can use the file name preceded by a colon: File:Angel from The Song of Bethlehem.jpg. - A fitting image would be one of a manuscript, title page, whatever, but should be specific to this work. Even a pic of the composer is not really specific enough but can be used as substitute, at least a hint at period and style. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to be honest, the 1900s were around the time that Vivaldi's music was revived, not sure if that should count Wikieditor662 (talk) 13:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not for me. The article - which would profit from references more than any picture - should give a reader who knows nothing an impression of when this plays at a glance, and nothing about Gloria in general but these particular works. Compare my piece for today, Monteverdi's Vespers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Sadly I haven't found any part of the original sheet for Gloria. Wikieditor662 (talk) 15:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]